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Ragnarok

April 11th, 2003, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Dawn Falcon:
Depends how long it's over. I guess I have 10K Posts in Total Annihilation forums over 5 years, when you average it out that's only ~6 a day.I think Fyrons been doing it for about 2 years now, IIRC. That averages out around 7 Posts a day.

I've been posting just over a year and mine averages around 4.5 Posts per day.

Edit: Just a thought though. If they reset Fyrons post count to 0 and I stayed where I'm at. Knowing him, he'd still probably beat me to 5000 again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ April 11, 2003, 18:15: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

Raging Deadstar

April 11th, 2003, 07:18 PM

I always thought of Fyron as a sentient Computer. Some where between The AI we all dream of and Holly off red dwarf http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

If he is though, what does FYRON actually stand for? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Stone Mill

April 11th, 2003, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by R_D: If he is though, what does FYRON actually stand for? That's easy...

Fast Posting
Yagi antenna driven
Rational
Omniscient
NanoMachine

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Desdinova

April 11th, 2003, 07:47 PM

congratulations Fyron. now get a life, http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif , just kidding. congrats again.

David E. Gervais

April 11th, 2003, 08:20 PM

Fyron, I'd offer my congratulations but I'm too jealous! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

...What?,.. come on!,.. that was really really funny! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Fyron

April 11th, 2003, 08:24 PM

I don't spend that much time here most days, really. I just type quickly, so I get lots of Posts in a short time frame. But really, post counts don't matter that much.

Raging Deadstar

April 11th, 2003, 08:26 PM

*Everyone awwwwwws*

He's modest too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

narf poit chez BOOM

April 11th, 2003, 10:28 PM

HAPPY 5000TH POST DAY!

*wacks fyron on the head with a mallot*
best imagined with a Wacko accent.

Aloofi

April 11th, 2003, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by Raging Deadstar:
*Everyone awwwwwws*

He's modest too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Aloofi

April 11th, 2003, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Yes, and about 30 of them per topic. He is a monster!Let me tell you, Fyron is one of the most interesting characters I have found Online. He is very helpfull and nice when he wants, but always manage to post incredibly totalitarian Posts. You can't accuse him of trolling cause he is consistent with his opinions, thus proving that he really believe what he post, but at the same time he have a tendency of repeatily posting his opinions in a way that doesn't leave any room for discussions or friendly disagrement, some sort self-rightiouness that seems to be encased in very strong beliefs, which of course for the people that don't know him and don't know his extensive contribution to this community might look like his trying deliberately to piss people off.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Happy 5000th day, Fyron!

Cyrien

April 11th, 2003, 11:29 PM

Heh. He has 5000 and I am slowly working towards 200.

2000 to 2003 - 186 Posts...

Lets not even bother trying to figure out what fractional number that is a day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Fyron

April 12th, 2003, 01:27 AM

Well if we keep up with these poitnless threads, then everyone can get 5000! Of course, I might have 50,000 then, but its all a matter of scale. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Aloofi:
That is an interesting theory. I have been told that by a few others recently. I shall have to look further into this. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Atrocities

April 12th, 2003, 01:34 AM

Yes, how amazing! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Krsqk

April 12th, 2003, 02:18 AM

You mean that if I keep posting things like this, I'll eventually have tons of Posts just like you? Except that you'll still have 5 or 6 times as many? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

This forum will probably be shut down before I hit 5000 Posts. And I'll have just purchased SELX. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Fyron

April 12th, 2003, 02:58 AM

Hey... at least 4000 of my Posts are useful Posts, not pointless ones like this. So... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

raynor

April 12th, 2003, 04:55 AM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Hey... at least 4000 of my Posts are useful Posts, not pointless ones like this. So...Hmm... I would have to argue a bit with you there. Of the 1000 I've read, I would only consider about 20 of them useful. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Kamog

April 12th, 2003, 05:04 AM

5000 is a lot of Posts! Are there no more promotions beyond Ruler of the World?

Most of Fyron's Posts are useful. He is often the first person to answer when somebody has a question!

Fyron

April 12th, 2003, 05:19 AM

Not another one of those "yeah for Fyron" threads.... the Last one was pointless enough. 2 is worse...

DavidG

April 12th, 2003, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Not another one of those "yeah for Fyron" threads.... the Last one was pointless enough. 2 is worse...Yea ditto. The guy likes to yak. Big deal. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

alchemy

April 12th, 2003, 05:28 AM

I wonder if he has a laptop hooked up to a wireless LAN at home? He can then sit outside with a beer and post away. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Fyron

April 12th, 2003, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by alchemy:
I wonder if he has a laptop hooked up to a wireless LAN at home? He can then sit outside with a beer and post away. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif Well since I am not 21 yet, that is kinda illegal. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif A laptop would be nice though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Thermodyne

April 12th, 2003, 06:38 AM

He has a new project now, so the rest of you have a small window of opportunity to catch up.

narf poit chez BOOM

April 12th, 2003, 08:29 AM

maybe someone should make a 'blabbermouth' award? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Fyron

April 12th, 2003, 08:43 AM

Hey, I resemble that remark!

Fyron

April 12th, 2003, 09:39 PM

SJ has more Posts than I do. I think he is more deserving of that title than me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Suicide Junkie

April 12th, 2003, 10:11 PM

While I do have more total, I have been registered here longer, and hardly claim to be "blabby".

Don't worry about me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Kamog

April 12th, 2003, 10:40 PM

Fyron will probably overtake SJ in number of Posts soon...

Thermodyne

April 12th, 2003, 11:24 PM

5000 Posts is a lot of yak yak yak. Do you guys talk on the phone a lot too?

narf poit chez BOOM

April 13th, 2003, 12:16 AM

the score, as of now:)
SJ: 5267, feb. 15 2001
IF: 5030, july 24 2001
5 months later, out of maybe ave. 23? SJ gets blabbermouth second class:)

Fyron

April 13th, 2003, 12:25 AM

No, I don't talk on the phone much at all.

Most of my (and SJ's) Posts are very helpful, informative Posts in repsonse to questions people answer. There are many people here more "blabby" than we are. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

SJ:
I don't claim to be "blabby". That was someone else accusing me of that.

David E. Gervais

April 13th, 2003, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
maybe someone should make a 'blabbermouth' award? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif I think I'm someone so I went ahead and did it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (so let it be written, so let it be done!)

Here you go Fyron, your very own 'Blabbermouth Award'! Wear it with pride!

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1050147915.gif

You are now the official type, typer and typest of them all! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

tbontob

April 13th, 2003, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by alchemy:
I wonder if he has a laptop hooked up to a wireless LAN at home? He can then sit outside with a beer and post away. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif Well since I am not 21 yet, that is kinda illegal. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif A laptop would be nice though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>Fyron is not legally an adult? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

In Canada, we are adults at 18 years of age.

Maybe some "sub-adults" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif of California are not as mature?

[ April 13, 2003, 01:35: Message edited by: tbontob ]

Ragnarok

April 13th, 2003, 04:19 AM

We are legally adults at 18 here as well. Just can't drink till we are 21. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Fyron

April 13th, 2003, 04:41 AM

No Tbontob, adult and drinking age are not the same thing. 18 is the age you are legally an adult. You are old enough to be drafted, but not old enough to have a drink to drown out the misery of such an event. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

tesco samoa

April 13th, 2003, 05:22 AM

that's drink in a public place...

It is legal for you to drink at home with an adult.

tbontob

April 13th, 2003, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
No Tbontob, adult and drinking age are not the same thing. 18 is the age you are legally an adult. You are old enough to be drafted, but not old enough to have a drink to drown out the misery of such an event. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Yes, I know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I was just teasing you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Thermodyne

April 13th, 2003, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
that's drink in a public place...

It is legal for you to drink at home with an adult.Hell no! Don't even go there. Get caught giving alcohol to minors, even the ones that belong to
you, and you get to pay some lawyers.

tbontob

April 13th, 2003, 06:01 AM

The question of drinking age is rather interesting.

In my parents house, we were permitted to have a drink whenever we wanted.

The interesting thing was that out of a family of 8 (6 children), no one took advantage of it.

I soon learned this was not shared by most of my peers.

Whenever I brought friends home and they saw the bar with the 300+ different bottles of liquor openly displayed, their eyes would light up.

When I was about 14 years old and not realizing the problems some people have with liquor. I asked if they wanted a drink.

It surprised me when all of them literally tossed back the drink, not even bothering to taste it and then looked at me expectantly.

Still not realizing the problem, I asked if they wanted another. To which the response was a unanimous "Yes!"

Again the drink was tossed back and the expectant look.

Only then did I realized my friends had a problem with liquor and stated "Bars closed."

IMO, there isn't a age when people are able to handle liquor better than another age.

18 or 21 are arbitrary ages used in an attempt to provide some protection to our youth.

tbontob

April 13th, 2003, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by Thermodyne:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tesco samoa:
that's drink in a public place...

It is legal for you to drink at home with an adult.Hell no! Don't even go there. Get caught giving alcohol to minors, even the ones that belong to
you, and you get to pay some lawyers.<hr /></blockquote>Yes, you are right.

It would be "contributing to the delinquency of minors."

I had my first "public" drink at the age of 13.

I was a big, strapping, muscular guy and looked somewhat older than 13.

Our family had taken a trip to Fargo, North Dakota, USA.

My parents, older sister and I went to a country bar (with sawdust on the floor), where I had a Hamm's draft.

I didn't like beer then, but I did like the experience.

Most 13 year olds want to be accepted as grown up and I was no exception.

My dad was taking a bit of a risk. But even if he was charged and convicted, he would only have a criminal record in the US.

At the time, a criminal record outside of Canada was only minimally pertinent to Canadian authorities in Canada.

Thermodyne

April 13th, 2003, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by tbontob:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Thermodyne:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tesco samoa:
that's drink in a public place...

It is legal for you to drink at home with an adult.Hell no! Don't even go there. Get caught giving alcohol to minors, even the ones that belong to
you, and you get to pay some lawyers.<hr /></blockquote>Yes, you are right.

It would be "contributing to the delinquency of minors."

I had my first "public" drink at the age of 13.

I was a big, strapping, muscular guy and looked somewhat older than 13.

Our family had taken a trip to Fargo, North Dakota, USA.

My parents, older sister and I went to a country bar (with sawdust on the floor), where I had a Hamm's draft.

I didn't like beer then, but I did like the experience.

Most 13 year olds want to be accepted as grown up and I was no exception.

My dad was taking a bit of a risk. But even if he was charged and convicted, he would only have a criminal record in the US.

At the time, a criminal record outside of Canada was only minimally pertinent to Canadian authorities in Canada.<hr /></blockquote>Hey, I like places like that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

narf poit chez BOOM

April 13th, 2003, 07:37 AM

Most of my (and SJ's) Posts are very helpful, informative Posts in repsonse to questions people answer. There are many people here more "blabby" than we are. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
yes, but your big prominent targets http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ April 13, 2003, 06:39: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Instar

April 13th, 2003, 10:39 AM

Too bad my moderator status blocks out my rank... otherwise I would have a pathetic rank compared to Fyron's!

I'll just let my user number (292) be less than Fyron's... so Ive been here longer I take it. And SpecOps is so much cooler than ruler of world.

[ April 13, 2003, 09:41: Message edited by: Instar ]

Fyron

April 13th, 2003, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
that's drink in a public place...

It is legal for you to drink at home with an adult.No it isn't Tesco. It is still just as illegal.

[ April 13, 2003, 09:48: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

tbontob

April 13th, 2003, 03:36 PM

While giving a minor (who is a son/daughter) a drink in the privacy of your home is technically "contributing to the delinquency of a minor", it is seldom enforced.

Technically, a glass of white wine during a meal falls within that definition.

Common sense dictates that parents teach their children how to cope responsibly with life's attractions.

Just saying "No!" doesn't teach a child much. It may even be counter-productive as it can increase the allure of alcohol.

Much better to give the minor the experience in a controlled setting where the minor can experience the event in safety and comfort.

Most cases hit the limelight when the cops have a "hard-on" for someone, the parents are in conflict and one complains to the cops or the parents have encouraged drinking to such an extent that the minor was either an alcoholic or fast becoming one.

[ April 13, 2003, 14:44: Message edited by: tbontob ]

Ruatha

April 13th, 2003, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
that's drink in a public place...

It is legal for you to drink at home with an adult.Interesting.

In sweden you are allowed to drink in restaurants and pubs when you are 18, but not at home or anywhere else until you are 20.
Then you can drink wherever you want to that is not forbidden by local rules (i e you can't drink on public markets etc).

The logic is that you then have two years to learn to drink socially under some kind of supervision by the employees at the pubs/restaurants. If people get too drunk and still get's served the pub/restaurant will loose their permit to serve alcoholic beverages.

(I read Fyrons comment but still thought this was an interesting remark)

Studies has shown that children who are allowed "social" drinking at dinners etc at home, tend to consume more alcohol then those who get's a simple "No".
The early "controlled" allowence theory doesn't work.

[ April 13, 2003, 16:34: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

tesco samoa

April 13th, 2003, 05:55 PM

You can have a glass of wine with your parents at dinner table.

I was not talking a bunch of 17 year olds hanging out with a bunch of 22 year olds...

Cyrien

April 13th, 2003, 06:46 PM

Heh. I spend alot of early childhood in Spain and there it was not uncommon during special events (new years eve etc) to recieve a small amount of watered down wine.

When I moved to the United States I found the attitude quite different, especially among younger teenage peers etc. I have known people who go out specifically with the intent to "get wasted" and I just can't understand that mentality.

I myself have never gotten drunk and it is not really an experience I would care to have based on others I have seen going through it.

Fyron

April 13th, 2003, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
You can have a glass of wine with your parents at dinner table.

I was not talking a bunch of 17 year olds hanging out with a bunch of 22 year olds...Yes I know Tesco. But it is still equally illegal for parents to give alcohol to their children that are under 21.

tbontob

April 14th, 2003, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by Ruatha:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tesco samoa:
that's drink in a public place...

It is legal for you to drink at home with an adult.Interesting.

In sweden you are allowed to drink in restaurants and pubs when you are 18, but not at home or anywhere else until you are 20.
Then you can drink wherever you want to that is not forbidden by local rules (i e you can't drink on public markets etc).

The logic is that you then have two years to learn to drink socially under some kind of supervision by the employees at the pubs/restaurants. If people get too drunk and still get's served the pub/restaurant will loose their permit to serve alcoholic beverages.

(I read Fyrons comment but still thought this was an interesting remark)

Studies has shown that children who are allowed "social" drinking at dinners etc at home, tend to consume more alcohol then those who get's a simple "No".
The early "controlled" allowence theory doesn't work.<hr /></blockquote>Hmmm. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

There may be some misinterpretation here.

Very young children should not be allowed to ingest alcohol for many reasons. The most obvious is that they are in a state of accelerated growth and excess alcohol is a poison.

The studies are probably correct. But I think the conditions under which they are conducted are relevant. If the parents are excessively permissive, I can see the study giving the results it does.

The opposite extreme is the rigid, domineering parent who says "no" with implied malice.

Somewhere in between is the loving, concerned and involved parent who oversees the event.

The latter parent is excercising the discipline most young children have not developed. As the child displays appropriate responsibility, there is less need for the overseeing parent.

Some societies drink wine with their meals every day. I believe the French may be a good example. However acceptable it is to have alcohol with their meal, I don't feel it is appropriate for a child to have the same privilege.

IMO, that would be excessive.

Ruatha

April 14th, 2003, 08:26 AM

Well, for my part i belive that as a loving parent I'll say no so long as I can, atleast until they are 18.
No malice intended, but if alcohol was introduced today it would have been Banned.
As it is now I use it on occasion, but it is a powerful and potentially dangerous drug.

Many people point at countries where there is a more liberal view on alcohol, France as an example and says "Se, you can drink without getting drunk". But France has a high rate of alcohol induced diseases.
So for my kids sake I'll try to keep them from alcohol as long as I can, and I'll make sure they know what I think about it.

I won't "punish" them if they get home drunk sometime, but there will be a discussion following when they sober up.
I'm sure they'll get drunk before it's legal to be so, but I hope to be able to minimize these occasions and perhaps give them enough self esteem to say no, and hopefully learn after the first time that it isn't so grand to be loaded.

But somethings one propably has to learn by doing ones own mistakes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ April 14, 2003, 07:28: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

Taera

April 14th, 2003, 08:29 AM

interesting how the topic drifted
i dont even know my post count.. why do you all care so much for it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Edit: 816 Posts since July 19, 2001. Is that not alot or what?

[ April 14, 2003, 07:31: Message edited by: Taera ]

Taera

April 14th, 2003, 08:35 AM

to add on the current topic, i am the "child" who had been introduced to alcohol a while ago. Being curious as I am i was introduced to root beer and perharps beer (dont remember) at age of about 8. Didnt remember much of it, neither liked, but the curiosity went away.
I didnt even know the legal drinking age in israel (i believe its 18). I always drink wine (usually white) with my parents on special occasions (like birthdays or new year) and been doing so for quite a long time. I also have been, being 14 and 15 and 16 yrs old, drinking beer with my friends. I can sa that my curiosity satisfied, i dont find it too much interesting. Yes it warms you up a little and opens you up a little too but thats it. A can or two with friends is fine, thats it.
OTOH those same friends come from NO families. They LOVE drinking.

talk about the theory.

EDIT: typo

[ April 14, 2003, 07:35: Message edited by: Taera ]

Ruatha

April 14th, 2003, 12:41 PM

Tehre is always exceptions to the rules.
There are people who have been smoking extensively and drinking often that live to become odler than 100 years.
that doesn't make it a healthy lifestyle.

AS to your friends, yes, these things happens.
I've had friends whose been members of organizations against alcohol but still drank alot. But if you look on it in a bigger population scale, "No" wins.
Will look up the reference later, (Should be working now).

-----------------------
EDIT:
Ok, it seems the significance is weak, 4% more of the children with parents "allowing" some drinking, drinks more than those who says "No".
(R�ysamb E, Friestad C. Rusbruk og foreldrerelasjoner gjennom ungdoms�rene. Bergen: HEMIL-Sentret, 1998)

Will look further into this.
More info later...

[ April 14, 2003, 11:46: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

David E. Gervais

April 14th, 2003, 04:49 PM

..a quote from another thread... (by me of course http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) and for some reason it seems to fit here too! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

The Meaning of the word Babble: To mumble meaningless words. To make strange sounds. The intellectual verbalization of ones thoughts, without the intent to educate the listener. To chat or chatter. To speak gibberish. To make Posts like this one in a forum.Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

tbontob

April 14th, 2003, 11:14 PM

David http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

mmmble dldfo dladaij alja=a;ld g al;oaudln da

What do you think? Do you agree? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

tbontob

April 14th, 2003, 11:29 PM

Seems the opinions on children and alcohol are divided into a number of camps.

1) The "NO" parents where as Taera points out curiosity and rebellion may be a factor.
2) The gentle "No" parent for children underage such as Ruatha.
3) The gentle "No" parent for children under age but with an occasional relaxation under controlled conditions so they can have the experience under supervision and not look for it elsewhere. (My position)
4) The liberal parent. (No ones position, yet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

Taera, I know 1) is not your personal position. Just your observation how children may react to the "NO" parent. An observation which I happen to agree with.

Taera

April 15th, 2003, 12:00 AM

my parents are liberal, i think. AFAIK i can get as drunk as i want, we all (me and them) know what will that do to me. I just wont do it because I dont want to do it. I never been said a NO, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DRINK. I just dont http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Atrocities

April 15th, 2003, 01:14 AM

Funny how things work out huh? My parents never really had alcohol around and even when they did my sister brothers and I never realy cared.

However, today my step sister and brother are big time drinkers. I found out that their grandfather is an alcoholic but there mother is not. Their real father is though.

Not that any one cares, but this I think proves that it is possible that alcoholism runs in families. My blood brother and I will drink, neither he nor I care for it. My real sister is gone. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif No, not by a drunk driver thank god, just some kid learning how to drive. I guess that makes it better. I think it does.

Atrocities

April 15th, 2003, 01:17 AM

Back on topic for just a sec, Fyron has made 57 Posts to my 28. Fyron you are the Ruler of the World.

Don't let it go to your head or we will have to depose you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

narf poit chez BOOM

April 15th, 2003, 03:09 AM

even with perfect parents, it doesn't garentee perfect kids.

Fyron

April 15th, 2003, 06:42 AM

There is no such thing as perfection. Everyone is flawed in more ways than they can realize.

Ruatha

April 15th, 2003, 07:02 AM

Yes, what one must remember is that being a "good enough parent" is really good enough!

Taera

April 15th, 2003, 07:09 AM

agree with ya all.

edit: hell, if being a good brother is hard enough, what'll being a good parent be like? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ April 15, 2003, 06:10: Message edited by: Taera ]

narf poit chez BOOM

April 15th, 2003, 07:24 AM

there is perfection, becuase there is imperfection. nothing can exist without it's opposite. find me something without an opposite:)

Fyron

April 15th, 2003, 07:40 AM

What is the opposite of a clock?

narf poit chez BOOM

April 15th, 2003, 08:13 AM

a clock is a temporary aragement of molecules.
anti-matter clock.

Fyron

April 15th, 2003, 08:14 AM

Anti-matter clock? That's the best you could come up with? That is not the opposite of a clock... Anti-matter isn't really an exact opposite to matter anyways.

Ruatha

April 15th, 2003, 08:30 AM

Not a perfect opposite but maybe a start to get the discussion going:
How about a stone, or a rock.
Something that doesn't change for a long time, in opposite to a clock that changes frequently.
This all depends on what timespan we use, but in a human perspective I think that a rock might be seen as a opposite to a clock.

narf poit chez BOOM

April 15th, 2003, 10:21 AM

opposite charges. goes boom if slammed together. now, if you made sure that every single particle in it was opposite ie whatever a quark with a reveresed charge on it is and so on.
rock still temporary collection of atoms and molucules.
or maybe the opposite of matter is no matter. well, opposite is that which opposes, so anti-matter closer.
or if you were refering to the function of a clock, that would be whatever function most opposes that of a clock.
and i'm not going to get into the concept of a clock unless you meant that. to long.

[ April 15, 2003, 09:54: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

David E. Gervais

April 15th, 2003, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
What is the opposite of a clock?'A Leo', trust me, time and clocks will have nothing to do with them! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Am I good or what? LOL

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Fyron

April 15th, 2003, 04:57 PM

Ruatha's idea actually has some merit. Just saying "anti-matter clock" is a pretty poor attempt because it is the lazy way out. An anti-matter clock is not the opposite of a clock because it is still a clock, so is not truly opposite.

Cyrien

April 15th, 2003, 09:15 PM

That depends on how you define the clock. Are you defining it in terms of its physical makeup or in terms of its purpose. It seems that you are defining in terms of its purpose and function therefore anti-matter clock is a poor fit. And while I can't think of an oppossite off the top of my head that does not mean there isn't one.

In fact all of us could fail to think of an oppossite to a clock and that would still not justify the statement that there is no oppossite to a clock.

In fact if a person wanted to they could go out and create the oppossite of a clock assuming one doesn't already exist.

Based on the function and usage of a clock principle one would first have to come up with a definition of a clocks function.

Here goes:

A clock is that which is used to keep and measure amounts of time that have passed, or a device to tell at what point in a day one is currently at.

Thus the oppossite of the clock would be:

That which is used to lose track of measured amounts of time that have passed, or a device that fails to tell at what point in a day you are currently at.

Thus I conclude that the oppossite of a clock is SE4.

Or you could go for the super impossible oppossite definition:

That which is not used to keep and unmeasure amounts of no time that have not passed, or a non-device to not tell at what point in a day one is currently not at.

Maybe I should throw in a few more nots and nons? A non-day? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

What is my point? My point is that how you define the oppossite of a clock is based purely on how you define what is a clock.

Fyron

April 15th, 2003, 09:32 PM

A clock is all of those definitions that have assigned to it, plus others. It is not just one of them; that would be too simplistic to model reality.

SE4 keeps track of time, just in a different manner than a standard clock. So, it is not an opposite to a clock, because it possess some similar traits and functions. In fact, SE4 incorporates a clock! It can not be an opposite to something that is a part of itself.

How about this:
What is the opposite to a Sony DVD Player? And don't say an anti-matter Sony DVD Player, cause that is in no way an opposite. Matter having an opposite spin and charge from anti-matter does not make a particular matter and anti-matter object pair a pair of opposites.

You're claim of everything having an opposite requires a much more black and white universe than the one we live in. Most things do not have anything that qualifies as an opposite.

[ April 15, 2003, 20:33: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

David E. Gervais

April 15th, 2003, 09:37 PM

Urika! I just figured out what the opposite of a clock is... here's my logic...

A clock keeps track of time in the present. As in 'Now'... So the opposite of a clock is what keeps track of time in the 'past' and in the 'future'... Drumroll please..

I therefore conclude that the opposite of a clock is a 'Calendar'

I'm so good it's almost scary! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Cheers!

Fyron

April 15th, 2003, 09:43 PM

David, both keep track of time in the same manner, so they are not really opposites. A Calendar keeps track of what time it is now just like a clock. It can track the current day, so you know what 3 days from now will be. That is the same as with a clock. It keeps track of the current hour, so you know what 3 hours from now will be.

[ April 15, 2003, 20:44: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Cyrien

April 15th, 2003, 09:56 PM

Your arguments are interesting but there are some holes in them. The sum of the parts is more than the parts themselves. Because a thing is made up partly of the thing it is supposed to be the opposite of does not mean it cannot still be its opposite.

One could make a strong argument for a dead horse being the opposite of a living horse and yet both are still horses.

And as to SE4 being or having a clock within it. I contend that that is just plain false. It makes use of a clock but is not itself a clock or have as one of its parts a clock. A clock may be necessary to use it as in the clock in the computer but simply making use of it does not make it a part of it.
Let us look at a generally accepted definition of clock so that we can begin to possibly view what may or may not be the opposite of a clock.

clock
n.
An instrument other than a watch for measuring or indicating time, especially a mechanical or electronic device having a numbered dial and moving hands or a digital display.
A time clock.
A source of regularly occurring pulses used to measure the passage of time, as in a computer.
Any of various devices that indicate measurement, such as a speedometer or a taximeter.
A biological clock.

This being the case it is clear that not all definitions can be true in all cases of what is a clock. Would some people perhaps argue that a watch is in fact a clock despite this defintion?

watch
A small portable timepiece, especially one worn on the wrist or carried in the pocket.

A chronometer on a ship.

So if a clock is not a watch can a watch be a clock? If not then anything of the above is not a clock. So what is a chronometer?

chro�nom�e�ter
n.
An exceptionally precise timepiece.

So what is a timepiece?

time�piece
n.
An instrument, such as a clock or watch, that measures, registers, or records time

Thus we have that a clock is something cannot be a watch but that measure time. But a watch can be a chronometer on a ship and a chronometer can be a clock. So by simply placing any clock on ship it simply ceases to be a clock?

With such variable and contradictory or almost contradictory definitions is it even possible to define what a clock is and thusly come to grips with what the opposite of a clock is?

I would therefore define the problem as thus. Clock is to vague a term. It applies to to many. It is like saying find the opposite to planet. One might be able to find the opposite to a planet but almost certainly can't to planet. The same holds true for clock. I could find the opposite for a specific instance of a clock but not to the wide range of things that clock itself might represent. Clock is merely a concept and as such it's only opposite is anti-clock which is a broad group just as clock is.

Why don't we have a unique desciptor for anti-clock then? Is it because it doesn't exist? Possibly. But more likely it is simply because we only name and make those things for which we have a use. A clock is usefull and has uses therefore an anti-clock must be useless and have no uses. Why would someone make a thing that must by its very nature is useless and has no uses? They wouldn't. That does not mean that such a thing does not exist it simply means that we have not made it ourselves and have no reason to define or know of it.

narf poit chez BOOM

April 15th, 2003, 10:52 PM

by defining opposite as that which opposes, and a clock as a temporary collection of matter, i reduced the question down to the oposite of matter. and i think my reversed matter would opose matter.
now, a device which renders a clock useless, would be the oposite of a clock.
or, if you talk about oposite as 'across from' then a device which would cause you to keep track of time worse, would be the oposite of a clock.

Fyron

April 15th, 2003, 10:54 PM

My arguments have had far fewer holes in them than those arguing for an anti-clock, actually. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Your point about something useless being the opposite of something useful does not mean that all useful things actually have something that is the opposite of them. In fact, almost none of them do. Only a very small range of objects/ideas/concepts actually have an opposite. You have yet to prove that there is anything that could be the opposite of a clock (even with a narrower definition of what a clock is). Just saying that it is theoretically possible is not any sort of valid logical argument. Furthermore, by your definition, any useless object could be the opposite of any useful object. But, opposites are by definition unique. They are 180 degrees apart (and they have to be able to be compared to each other for any sort of opposite to be able to make sense). You can not have 2 objects that are opposite, and hten have a 3rd object that is opposite to one of them. Useless A is the opposite of Useful B. But, it would also be the opposite of Useful C, as useful is the opposite of useless (going along with your reasoning, ofc). So, are Useful B and Useful C the same thing? Probably not.

You can not isolate one trait of an object and find something that appears opposite to that trait, and then say that that object is the opposite of the first object. Is a black horse the opposite of a white horse? Hardly. Black is the opposite color of white (one being no visible light, the other being all wavelengths of visibile light (which is a highly artificial definition that only makes sense with our extremely limited perception of reality)). But, the black horse and the white horse are still both horses. They are still the same objects, just with very slightly differing DNA, resulting in different pigmentation. So what would be an opposite to a black horse? Or a white horse, for that matter? Such an object would have to be the opposite of a horse itself. Is a pony (very small horse) the opposite of a Clydesdale (very big horse) just because they have opposing sizes? Not at all.

geoschmo

April 15th, 2003, 10:56 PM

Even a stopped clock is still a clock. And a stopped clock is right twice a day. Of course a clock can be running but have the wrong time and never have the correct time. But even then it is still a clock. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

narf poit chez BOOM

April 15th, 2003, 11:02 PM

it's an anti-matter device that never lets any clock run and always gives incorrect time.
unless you want the oposite of a single clock, in which case it only has to never let that clock run.
and for most of this, theoretical is as good as were gonna get.

[ April 15, 2003, 22:05: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

geoschmo

April 15th, 2003, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
it's an anti-matter device that never lets any clock run and always gives incorrect time.
unless you want the oposite of a single clock, in which case it only has to never let that clock run.
and for most of this, theoretical is as good as were gonna get.I can stop a single clock from ever running by the simple and forceful application of a ball peen hammer. But that does not make my hammer the opposite of a clock. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

narf poit chez BOOM

April 15th, 2003, 11:28 PM

what does that have to do with what i said?
i'll be playing the non-existant seIV now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ April 15, 2003, 22:29: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Cyrien

April 16th, 2003, 12:14 AM

All the arguments have so far had many holes in them and the fact that opposing arguments have holes in them does nothing to fill the holes up in either of them. Just because my sinking ship has more holes in it than your sinking ship (which it does not) does nothing to stop your ship from sinking. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I never once claimed that everything has an opposite. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Proving some is theoretically possible is in fact logically valid. Proving something theoretically possible does not prove it does exist but it shows that it MIGHT exist. I have in fact not shown that it can exist but that it might.
But my entire point in my Posts has not been to prove that it does exist but to attempt to show a method in which one might be able to identify the opposite of clock should it exist.

In point of fact opposites are not necessarily unique.

A is the opposite of B

C is the opposite of D

E is both B and D and thus the opposite of both A and C.

It is a matter of how you group things. A smaller group may be contained by a larger group. Just because it is the opposite of more than the smaller group does not make it any less the opposite of the smaller group.

You can isolate all the traits of the thing and while the smaller grouping is not the opposite of the larger the larger meets all requirements for being the other. Thus you could have the opposite of grandfather clock and clock and the opposite of clock INCLUDES grandfather clock.

My conclusions have been it is not even possible to identify the opposite of clock as the identification of clock itself is impossible.

If you can't identify the components of the thing you need to identify the opposite of then you have no chance of ever identifing the opposite itself.

Thus as things get more and more complex it gets harder and harder to define the thing and thus harder and harder to define an opposite. Thus the only things we have opposite for are indeed simple things. This does not however preclude the existence of the opposites themselves. It just means we have no way of identifing them and thus no way of proving or disproving their existence. Leaving us in limbo.

Cyrien

April 16th, 2003, 12:25 AM

And to answer the question. Opposite my clock is my bed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

David E. Gervais

April 16th, 2003, 12:30 AM

Ok, so my logic was flawed and full of holes. I'm not Vulcan, but I'll give it another try...

You are trying to find out what is the 'opposite' of a clock, and by definition the 'opposite' of a clock cannot itself be a clock.

Well, I am not a clock, and therefore must be it's opposite!

So the answer to the question "What is the opposite of a clock?" is Me!

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Jack Simth

April 16th, 2003, 12:57 AM

If you apply set notation and treat opposite as complement, then the opposite of a clock would be the set of (all objects union all non-objects) which are not in the set of (all clocks).

Fyron

April 16th, 2003, 01:06 AM

David:
I am not trying to find the opposite of a clock because such a thing does not exist. I was saying that most everything that exists in reality has no opposite. The clock was just one example.

Jack:
Originally posted by Jack Simth:
If you apply set notation and treat opposite as complement, then the opposite of a clock would be the set of (all objects union all non-objects) which are not in the set of (all clocks).How did discrete mathematics wind up in this? It doesn't apply! We were talking about a clock, not a set that contains a clock. A clock is not a set, so set notation can not be applied to a clock itself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ April 16, 2003, 00:08: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

David E. Gervais

April 16th, 2003, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
David:
I am not trying to find the opposite of a clock because such a thing does not exist.I don't exist? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif I always suspected as much! LOL

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Fyron

April 16th, 2003, 02:37 AM

Originally posted by David E. Gervais:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
David:
I am not trying to find the opposite of a clock because such a thing does not exist.I don't exist? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif I always suspected as much! LOL

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif <hr /></blockquote>Well not if you follow the laws of anti-logic. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Atrocities

April 16th, 2003, 04:11 AM

I have the 100th post of this thread. Ha ha.

narf poit chez BOOM

April 16th, 2003, 06:39 AM

ok, the oposite of moving +x is moving -x, right? xyz coordinates. so, if you can't move +x, reducing this to the coordinate system itself, that means that you can't move +x becuase the x dimension does not exist. therefore you can't move -x. so, in order to move +x, you must have dimension x, which means that you must be able to move -x. fyron, you still interested?

Ruatha

April 16th, 2003, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
How about this:
What is the opposite to a Sony DVD Player.Hmm, something that is cheap and can record stuff.
A VHS recorder?

Haven't treid any Sony DVD players but just for the sake of the argument:
Something that is nice to look upon, can keep you occupied for a long time, doesn't need to be plugged into an electricity socket. Doesn't need a TV or any other connected electrical devices to function. Does not need to be fed with round discs.
Perhaps my wife?

(I'm not against DVD's, I like them, just wanted to argue a bit) (This is the room for arguments, right? No, Yes, No , Yes, An argument is simply a contradiction, right! No!, Yes...)

Atrocities

April 16th, 2003, 09:59 AM

Two fish are in a tank. One says to the other, �How do you drive this thing?� The other fish looks over and sighs; "You have been hanging around President Bush far too long. This is a water tank, not a TANK."

(Sorry, I could not help it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif George is great, and I support him, but it is a lot of fun to poke fun occationally.)

Fyron

April 16th, 2003, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
ok, the oposite of moving +x is moving -x, right? xyz coordinates. so, if you can't move +x, reducing this to the coordinate system itself, that means that you can't move +x becuase the x dimension does not exist. therefore you can't move -x. so, in order to move +x, you must have dimension x, which means that you must be able to move -x. fyron, you still interested?Umm... I'm not following the logic of that paragraph. If you have an xyz coordinate grid, or even an xy coordinate plane (or just a x number line), then you can move in x and -x directions. Why do you say you can't? Where do you get the x dimension does not exist? It must exist if you have xyz coordinate grid...

narf poit chez BOOM

April 16th, 2003, 10:45 AM

well, the only way to eliminate +x movement is to eliminate the whole x dimension. a 'things can't exist without there oposite' kind of thing.

Kamog

April 16th, 2003, 11:05 AM

What is the opposite of 2? Is it -2 or is it 1/2, or is it something else?
What is the opposite of 0? Is it 1, or is it infinity, or something else?

Katchoo

April 16th, 2003, 05:06 PM

In a binary world, the opposite of Zero would be One.

*snaping fingers and singing* One, is the loneliest number...*snap*snap*

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

PS, Fyron thinks the Terminator movies were crappy. Who's up for a wedgie? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

David E. Gervais

April 16th, 2003, 06:21 PM

If 'Yes' is the opposite of 'No' what is the opposite of Maybe? (Perhaps?) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

If 'Closed' is the opposite of 'Open' what is the opposite of a Wink? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

If 'Up' is the opposite of 'Down' what is the opposite of Middle? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

If 'Inner' is the opposite of 'Outer' what is the opposite of Between? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

If 'Heaven' is the opposite of 'Hell' what is the opposite of Earth? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

...this has been pure nonsense brought to you one question at a time!

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Ruatha

April 16th, 2003, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by David E. Gervais:

If 'Up' is the opposite of 'Down' what is the opposite of Middle? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Lateral.
(Is that the right english word? Is it the same as in latin?)

Fyron

April 16th, 2003, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
well, the only way to eliminate +x movement is to eliminate the whole x dimension. a 'things can't exist without there oposite' kind of thing.You can have only the set of natural numbers, in which case you have the positive x direction, but not the negative. And why is -x the opposite of x? Why isn't 1/x its opposite? Or -1/x?

narf poit chez BOOM

April 16th, 2003, 11:41 PM

you looked to much at the math. -x is the opposite of +x becuase they oppose each other.

narf poit chez BOOM

April 16th, 2003, 11:44 PM

*sneaks up behind katchoo with the 5000th post day mallot...*
*WHAM!*

Fyron

April 17th, 2003, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
you looked to much at the math. -x is the opposite of +x becuase they oppose each other.I looked to much at the math? Umm... looking at the math is the only possible way to compare numbers and variables of numbers...

Cyrien

April 17th, 2003, 01:00 AM

Math the only way to look at numbers and number comparisons, etc? It surely isn't. One can use logic systems, which while related to math are most assuredly not math.

Fyron

April 17th, 2003, 01:20 AM

Logical evaluation of number systems is a type of math, actually. It is called Discrete Mathematics.

Cyrien

April 17th, 2003, 01:34 AM

Discrete Mathematics is a method of combining logical method and problem solving with mathematical equations. It is not all inclusive of Logical comparisons of numbers and other areas.

Even if it where I could still show that your original statement:
I looked to much at the math? Umm... looking at the math is the only possible way to compare numbers and variables of numbers is false by simply making up a nonsensical way of comparing numbers and variables. It would make no sense and have no meaning but it would still be a way it could be done.

Fyron

April 17th, 2003, 01:47 AM

My statement was not a logical proof. It was not all-inclusive. I did not bother ruling out nonsense methods that do not give any useable results because there was never a reason to do so, and there still is not. So, the method of disproving it by finding one possible way in which it does not hold is not applicable.

[ April 17, 2003, 00:48: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

David E. Gervais

April 17th, 2003, 01:52 AM

The opposite of Zero is Absolute Zero!

How's that for nonsense reduced to perfection?

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

narf poit chez BOOM

April 17th, 2003, 02:32 AM

i wasn't speaking of the math, i was speaking of the actual movement.

Katchoo

April 17th, 2003, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by Cyrien:
Discrete Mathematics is a method of combining logical method and problem solving with mathematical equations. It is not all inclusive of Logical comparisons of numbers and other areas.Gha?

Even if it where I could still show that your original statement:
[QUOTE] I looked to much at the math? Umm... looking at the math is the only possible way to compare numbers and variables of numbers Fuh?

is false by simply making up a nonsensical way of comparing numbers and variables. It would make no sense and have no meaning but it would still be a way it could be done.Eh... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

Hmmm... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Err... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

I agree. Anyone wanna bounce a ball?

*boing*boing*

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Kamog

April 17th, 2003, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by Katchoo:
I agree. Anyone wanna bounce a ball?

*boing*boing*
What's the opposite of a ball? A cube?

Fyron

April 17th, 2003, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
i wasn't speaking of the math, i was speaking of the actual movement.What movement? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

narf poit chez BOOM

April 17th, 2003, 10:01 AM

me. you. me going one way. you not moving. we solved unstopable force and imoveable object.
*falls over from exertion*
well, maybe not.
anyway, i was talking about +x movement and -x movement. you seem to be talking about +x math and -x math. i was more talking about concepts. moving one way, moving oposite way. must have something to move on. no move one way, no move oposite way. narf's brain tired.
*starts bouncing the ball*
weeeee!!

Fyron

April 17th, 2003, 10:04 AM

Movement is directly related to mathematics in every regard. Movement in the x or -x direction is based off of physical formulae, which are indeed mathematics. A coordinate system is 100% arbitrary to begin with, so we can assign it to your path of movement however we want to. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Atrocities:
Can we rename this thread to something else? My post count hasn't been discussed in a while... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ April 17, 2003, 09:05: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Fyron

April 17th, 2003, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Aloofi:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Atrocities:
Yes, how amazing! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Yeah, how amazing, with those short repetive/empty/spamming Posts.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <hr /></blockquote>Hey, I just noticed you accused me of spamming... what do you think that post was? Huh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Reminds me of a pot and kettle and the color black... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

narf poit chez BOOM

April 17th, 2003, 10:06 AM

yes, but you can't move one way unless you can move another. 0,1 0,1 math.
*ooh, like ball*

Fyron

April 17th, 2003, 10:22 AM

Umm... what is your point?

Actually, if a wall is closing in behind you, you can't move back, only forward. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

narf poit chez BOOM

April 17th, 2003, 10:32 AM

strength. go boom. no wall.
and my point is that everything has to have an oposite.

David E. Gervais

April 17th, 2003, 12:51 PM

Fyron, this thread has been running for 7 days and it started with (actually the second post) you making your 5000'th post. You're now at 5180+ Posts.

WoW!, It's worth repeating WOW! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

That's an average of 25+ Posts per day. You are not only the ruler of the world, you're crusing at warp 10!

I'm impressed, and a wee bit jealous! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (..and to think the 7th day is not over yet!)

Have a Great Day, Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Fyron

April 17th, 2003, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
strength. go boom. no wall.
and my point is that everything has to have an oposite.Yes, and your point is wrong. Nearly everything in existence does not have an opposite.

ZeroAdunn

April 17th, 2003, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
strength. go boom. no wall.
and my point is that everything has to have an oposite.Yes, and your point is wrong. Nearly everything in existence does not have an opposite.<hr /></blockquote>You are even more wrong fyron, you see, everything is its own oposite, why, just look at cats.....

ZeroAdunn

April 17th, 2003, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by David E. Gervais:
Fyron, this thread has been running for 7 days and it started with (actually the second post) you making your 5000'th post. You're now at 5180+ Posts.

WoW!, It's worth repeating WOW! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

That's an average of 25+ Posts per day. You are not only the ruler of the world, you're crusing at warp 10!

I'm impressed, and a wee bit jealous! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (..and to think the 7th day is not over yet!)

Have a Great Day, Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Did I miss the meeting when it was declared we were going to praise people for being wind bags? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Seriously though, I would ask for a muzzle, but that wouldn't stop him from typing....

Fyron

April 17th, 2003, 10:53 PM

I am in no way a windbag. I have had a lot of answers to questions asked on Shrapnel, and answered them. This doesn't make me a windbag.

Cyrien

April 17th, 2003, 11:36 PM

wind�bag
n.
The flexible air-filled chamber of a bagpipe or similar instrument.
Slang. A talkative person who communicates nothing of substance or interest.

I don't think Fyron fits in there for the most part. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I haven't actually seen him for myself though so I suppose he might be a sentient flexible air-filled chamber of a bagpipe or similar instrument. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

narf poit chez BOOM

April 18th, 2003, 04:18 AM

you havn't proven me wrong. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
and i think i have come up with oposites that wouldn't exist without each other. are we doing more than going in circles, though?

Fyron

April 18th, 2003, 05:19 AM

I never said there are no opposites that would not exist without each other. But your point was that everything that exists must have an opposite. This is what I have argued is wrong. There are many things out there without opposites, and they exist just fine.

narf poit chez BOOM

April 18th, 2003, 09:08 AM

i came up with one for a clock:)
but i don't think this is going anywhere. we've started to repeat ourselves.

Fyron

April 18th, 2003, 09:53 AM

Yeah... I already showed how your argument for an opposite to a clock was invalid...

narf poit chez BOOM

April 18th, 2003, 10:12 AM

where?

[ April 18, 2003, 09:13: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Fyron

April 18th, 2003, 10:14 AM

Read back in the thread. I posted counters to every argument posted for the existence of a clock's opposite.

narf poit chez BOOM

April 18th, 2003, 11:09 PM

My arguments have had far fewer holes in them than those arguing for an anti-clock, actually. [Wink]

Your point about something useless being the opposite of something useful does not mean that all useful things actually have something that is the opposite of them. In fact, almost none of them do. Only a very small range of objects/ideas/concepts actually have an opposite. You have yet to prove that there is anything that could be the opposite of a clock (even with a narrower definition of what a clock is).
that was your Last post on the clock.

it's an anti-matter device that never lets any clock run and always gives incorrect time.
unless you want the oposite of a single clock, in which case it only has to never let that clock run.
and for most of this, theoretical is as good as were gonna get.
and that's my Last post on the clock and i think i met all the requirements.

[ April 18, 2003, 22:11: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Fyron

April 19th, 2003, 12:21 AM

Yes, and your Last post simply rehashed statements I had already disproven, so there was no need to repost the same things again.

Fyron

April 19th, 2003, 08:42 PM

Not that I can with 100% certainty state this, but I have some dault as to if such an anti-matter anti-clock device actually exists...
What is the theoretical background that indicates that it does exist.
Is it based upon observations or is it somekind of mathematical theory that states that it must exist in order to let ordinary clock's exist?? No. Anti-matter does not have to exist for matter to exist. Any specific matter item does not have to have an anti-matter equivalent to exist. Take your computer for an example. For an AM comp to have to exist for it to exist, then there would have to be AM humans that performed all of the exact same historical actions as us matter humans. They would have to have evolved in the same way, had all the same achievements at the same exact time, etc. This is of course so improbable to have happened that we can say with certainty that it could never have happened. So, this is why a matter item does not have to have an AM equivalent to exist. AM is not some mystical opposing force in the universe to matter. It is simply a theoretical class of particles that have opposing charges and spins to the equivalent matter particles.

TerranC

April 20th, 2003, 12:09 AM

I'd like to know how come that every thread started by fyron or every thread that was started that metioned fyron or were about fyron turns into a scientific/political/religious/philosophical discussion, and fyron gets to add another 500 Posts to his already 5000-strong Posts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Edit: Darn "<>"s.

[ April 19, 2003, 23:10: Message edited by: TerranC ]

Raging Deadstar

April 20th, 2003, 01:05 AM

As this is a post celebration thread i thought i would grace you all with my 500TH POST! Now if someone kidnaps fyron i only need 4726 Posts to surpass him http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Ruatha

April 20th, 2003, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />
My arguments have had far fewer holes in them than those arguing for an anti-clock, actually. [Wink]

Your point about something useless being the opposite of something useful does not mean that all useful things actually have something that is the opposite of them. In fact, almost none of them do. Only a very small range of objects/ideas/concepts actually have an opposite. You have yet to prove that there is anything that could be the opposite of a clock (even with a narrower definition of what a clock is).
that was your Last post on the clock.

it's an anti-matter device that never lets any clock run and always gives incorrect time.
unless you want the oposite of a single clock, in which case it only has to never let that clock run.
and for most of this, theoretical is as good as were gonna get.
and that's my Last post on the clock and i think i met all the requirements.<hr /></blockquote>Not that I can with 100% certainty state this, but I have some dault as to if such an anti-matter anti-clock device actually exists...
What is the theoretical background that indicates that it does exist.
Is it based upon observations or is it somekind of mathematical theory that states that it must exist in order to let ordinary clock's exist??

[ April 19, 2003, 12:12: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

David E. Gervais

April 20th, 2003, 01:59 AM

..speaking about # of Posts...

Shrapnel Forums snapshot:

01: 116610 Posts: Space Empires: IV
02: -----7155 Posts: Runesword II General Discussion
03: -----2335 Posts: TWE - Armies of Armaggedon
04: -----1950 Posts: Runesword II Mod Discussion
05: ---1599 Posts: Space Empires: IV Classic Threads
06: -----1557 Posts: BCT: Brigade Combat Team
07: -----1439 Posts: The War Engine General
08: -----1202 Posts: Horse & Musket: Great Battles...
09: ------942 Posts: New Scenario/Mod Forum
10: ----793 Posts: Aaron Hall's Dungeon Odyssey
11: ------533 Posts: Shrapnel General
12: ------523 Posts: Armored Task Force
13: ------239 Posts: Combat Command 2: Danger Forward
14: ------214 Posts: All American: The 82nd Airborne
15: ------183 Posts: TWE - TRL
16: ------187 Posts: Air Command 3.0
17: ------139 Posts: Lock'NLoad: Forgotten Warriors
18: ------126 Posts: Space HoRSE
19: ------112 Posts: Remote Assault
20: -------85 Posts: Thunder Pack Platinum
21: -------81 Posts: Ask Shrapnel Games
22: -------73 Posts: Austerlitz: Nap's Greatest Victory
23: -------70 Posts: Combat Command 2: Desert Rats
24: -------50 Posts: Interstellar Trader 2
25: -------46 Posts: TWE - Warspace
26: -------34 Posts: TWE - Northrealm Saga
27: -------22 Posts: TWE - Global War: Total Conflict
28: -------19 Posts: TWE - Tour of Duty
29: -------- 8 Posts: TWE - Paintball

I think Aaron must be considered a God at shrapnel http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Cheers!