Phun Challenge: The Phun Pfederation vs Crystal Gail

[Gryphin]

Slynky vs Gryphin Two Hav Phun Challenge

Please email me the system names.
Anybody want to volluntere to make the map and place the players?

[ May 12, 2003, 16:31: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

Well, you can do it, Gryph. I trust you.

You can just gen the map and let the starting points fall where they may if you want.

But, no objections to someone else doing it....

WAIT...Is that Geo I hear shuffling in the background? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[geoschmo]

Actually I don't want to make the map, I want to play. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

But I'll make the map if you need.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Actually I don't want to make the map, I want to play. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

But I'll make the map if you need.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL...up to "Tha Gryph". I don't want to step on his fun. Also, seems like 4 is better than 3...worrying about 2 ganging up on 1.

Oh, and to Gryph...FUN names are OK, right? (evil grin!)

[geoschmo]

Nah, I am in enough games. I am just jealous. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Slynky]

Here is my list of names...sent them to you by email also....

Thought it might be FUN to post them here.

45
90
Phun
Volcanis
Paradise Lost
Paradise Gained
Luxury
Metaphysical
Flumpy
Paradox
Theory
Wasteland
Premise
Glue
Slap Happy
Thermometer
Aphrodisiac
Phallus
Vaginalis
Cream Puff
Deadness
SlynkyLand
Gangsterland
Honda
Thumper
Humper
Slumper
Paragon
Hexagon
Triangle
Hexagon
Triathlon
Leprous
Danger Zone
Eat Me
Lick Me
Lick This
KY Jelly
Thermos
Humis
Rank
Dank
Cranky ***
Universe
Arsenic
Poison
Shipwrecked
Stranded
Booby Trap
Thin Ice
Condom
Insane
Rambunctious
Laughter
Lesbos
Angular
Not Here
Not Ever
Time Warp
Hell
Heaven
Cloud Nine
Pearly Gates
Lobster
Burger
Funny Bunny
Thrill Ride
Blind
Deaf
Mute
Speak Evil
Kill Evil
Swan Song
Death Knell
Threesome
Twosome
Onesome
Nonesome
Some
Not Some
Queersome
Threadbare
Bare It All
Barely There
Manipulation
Cornerstone
FNS
SERO
Atlanta
Georgia
US

[Slynky]

Hey, Gryph....

Yoooo-Hooooo-ooo-oooo

[Gryphin]

Yoooo-Hooooo-ooo-oooo
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">?
Sorry I don't drink that stuff. Were you reffering to the the Yahoo personals add. Pooh Star and I don't put our personals there.

Maybe you wanted to know when I would get moving on the game.
Ok, by Noon my time I will have all of the system names ready for Geo to use to make a
Dence Threaded Spiral
Max of 120 systems.
Place 4 starting positions

I was thinking. What would happen if two of the same AI were used? Would it mess up the game? I would love to see two United Floral in the same game. You would never know if you were fighting one or both untill you found their homeworlds.

Anybody know?

Anybody want specific system names in this game?

[General Woundwort]

Originally posted by Slynky:
Here is my list of names...sent them to you by email also....

Thought it might be FUN to post them here.

Funny Bunny
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Excuse me? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Gryphin]

System Names
In Your Face!
Byte Me!
SEIV Rules!
Gryphin Position
:iIi;
Circle the Wagons
Pooh Star
Boston
MA
Two Have Phun
Steve is Bad Enough
Up Chuck Event
Stay and Die
FOBAR
PEPKAC
User!
FBW
EDIT:
lepus genus

Anybody want to offer up some names?
I expect we can up the number of systems.

[ May 04, 2003, 15:53: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

Originally posted by General Woundwort:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Slynky:
Here is my list of names...sent them to you by email also....

Thought it might be FUN to post them here.

Funny Bunny
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Excuse me? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LMAO! Sorry, wasn't being politically correct with all the members of the lepus genus out there.

[Slynky]

Looks like "High Noon" has arrived. I'll have to print out all the race requirements and begin building some sort of race... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif .

[Gryphin]

Geo,
It is more than you offered.
Could you make a map?
FQM 1.18
Dense Threaded Spiral
Max 120 system
Using the names proffered below.
4 starting positions
- - Position 1 in the East
- - Position 2 in the West
- - Position 3 in the North
- - Position 4 in the South

Starting resources: 20000
Starting planets: 5
Home planet value: Good
Score display: All
Technology level: Medium
Racial ou fight.

[Gryphin]

Ouch, just read the parameters again..
I did mention it in the first post after you told me I was only limited by my imaginaiton <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Originally posted by Gryphin:
Slynky vs Gryphin Phun Gam
Here are my thoughts
Synky vs Gryphin Match
< snip >
No ruins on planets
No: Intel – Not even Counter Intel for protection from the AI
</snip >
No trading, gifting or treaties with the AI.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I did mention it back in the Challenge Match thread http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Hmm, an IT person that does not read the manual. This game may be easier than I thought.

You might want to think twice before reducing Ground Combat to 50 % http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Yes, Slynky, I have followed your post. I have focused on capturing planets for my because I have a tough time with killing millions even though they are just a bunch of ones and zeros.
That is one of the reasons it is noteworthy that I glassed planets in the game where mentaly I was crushing my X.

Thanks Pocus.
So we can take on two splinter Groups of United Floral. Slynky, how about it?
Or maybe Two Tessellates and two of what ever you are using. hmm... could be confusing. Yes. You did say what ever my imagination...

[ May 04, 2003, 21:33: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

LOL...

Naw, I "breezed by" the part where the AI can't surrender to me. I can handle that easily, it seems but to conquer the planet?

Not to mention NOT snuffing your worthless attempts at civilization... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

[Slynky]

Well, I have the most incredible (hopefully) race of 5,000 points ever built. So...whenever the map materilizes...we'll plop down and give it a try. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Gryphin]

Trust me, I am not civilized.
As for snuffing. Try a decongestant if you are stuffed up.

BYW: who sets up the game at BBW?

[ May 04, 2003, 21:59: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

I thought you had "pinned" Geo down for that one... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

But, we know he is busy as heck. If he wants to gen the map and mark starting positions, either you or I can gen it...I trust both of us.

[Slynky]

OT from this post, Gryph...

I mistakenly sent you a cool space graphic that I failed to realize was nearly 4 MB!

I have slapped myself and confined myself to no SE 4 for the period of 1 day for probably overloading your mailbox or causing undue stress on dialup (if that is what you have).

My humble apologies.

[Gryphin]

Don't worry about the file. I have cable. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
Never forget the day a GF sent me lots of explisit home pics to my dial up. ##$%%^&&*&* but they were worth it when she sent them one at a time.

[Slynky]

Whew!

So, back on topic, you got Geo cornered into doing the map?

[Gryphin]

Um, we are talking about a "fun challenge"? seems we were on topic all along.

Yes I belive he will do it up for us.
I hope I"m not asking too much asking him to use a different systemnames.txt

No need to resend. I gotem.

[ May 04, 2003, 23:49: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[geoschmo]

http://seiv.pbw.cc/text/index.jsp?menu=gamemenu.jsp%3fgame=iusdnc&body=gamebody.jsp%3fgame=iusdnc

Game is up on PBW.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
[QUOTE] You might want to think twice before reducing Ground Combat to 50 %<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, against the AI you could probably get by with this. You just have to make sure you have a few more troops than you might normally.

Geoschmo

[Gryphin]

Thanks for the input about agaist the AI. I usualy play that way solo. I'm wondering if I can get away with it against a human.
I wonder what it will take to invade a 15B homeworld.

Um, is PBW Down?

[ May 05, 2003, 00:52: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[geoschmo]

I'm on it now and able to get out to the internet. Are we having a DNS problem again?

Geoschmo

[Gryphin]

Ok, I'm in now.
Looks like about 15 minutes where I could not get in.

[ May 05, 2003, 01:01: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Gryphin]

Geo,
Thanks againg for setting up the game.
I have "Joined" the game. Does PBW need the Tessllate ship set uploaded or can he down load it from my sig?

[geoschmo]

PBW doesn't need the shipset for anything. That's just there as a convienent way to share custom shipsets that are being used in games.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Geo,
Thanks againg for setting up the game.
I have "Joined" the game. Does PBW need the Tessllate ship set uploaded or can he down load it from my sig?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Joined the game? I'll have to take a look.

[Slynky]

Joined the game....

Off to bed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[Gryphin]

Slynky,
All you have to do is Down Load from my lynk.

[Gryphin]

Notice to all loyal Crystal L ‘Yn:
The government of the Tessellate Crystal L ‘Yn is currently accepting applications for Public Relations Offic

[Slynky]

Greetings from Alabama. Hope to get my turn done tonight from this office.

[Slynky]

Greetings from Alabama. Hope to get my turn done tonight from this office.

[Gryphin]

Greetings from Massachusettes
I will get two turns done tonight

Since you are also up against the UF I will try to stop the Torons from getting through to your home worlds
Don't forget to find Both specialy named planets

[Slynky]

Not going to have time to get to the turn before it's due. Think you could get Geo to change the status to "Last Upload" (or whatever it's called)

[Gryphin]

Geo can you change it to Last Upload please?

Thanks as always.

[Slynky]

Oh well, too late. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[Gryphin]

From the Ministry of Dissin Information
Colonization Progress
We have received a brief communiqué from the colony ship CG III 0001
The intrepid colonist renamed it “The Future”
I am very pleased to say “The Future” warped through the worm hole right on schedule to the system Deadness where they were set upon by ugly organic beings in little one being Fragile Integrated Groping Hideous Trashy Ergonomic Rats. We will call them fighters.

The valiant captain managed to ram all 12 of the fighters.

The Future’s luck ran out when they were sucked into a huge hole in space never to be heard from again. In their passing we have learned how to deal with the fighters and what systems to avoid.

If you have any questions please refer to an exact copy of this report at the Central Information Bank.

[ May 13, 2003, 12:44: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[geoschmo]

sorry. I can set the turn back.

[Gryphin]

:: Blinks :: says a quiet thankyou.

[Gryphin]

I'm willing to replay turn or go forward.
Your call Slynky.
I'm also willing to skip a turn.

Edit:
Then again you are probalby in a war with the UF Where as I was sure I was about to loose 3 colonies when the Torons offer me a Trade agreement.

I replyed by sending 3 more colony ships their way. Those things are almost as ugly as the Phun Pheds

[ May 14, 2003, 03:17: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

Just keep going. No need to bother anyone. After all, if missing one turn would mean the difference between winning and losing, I don't need to be playing.

[Gryphin]

That works for me. I hope you can get out of 3rd place. I'd consider a Non Agression agreement between us while we deal with our respective AI.
We could maintian our current borders with the exception of Deadness which we all know belongs to The Tessellate people.

[Slynky]

'Ppreciate the offer but we Phun's can't have phun that way. So, we can continue just as we were. Weed boy isn't a problem yet.

[Gryphin]

Since victory conditions are that you have phun then I encourage you onward.

We recently had phun with the Torons. We sent two brave Fighter Fraggers through the warp point just as one of their light cariers was coming through. Took out 28 of their fighters but the Last remaining finished off the second fragger.

I wonder how a fleet will do against the Phuns.

[ May 16, 2003, 00:07: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

I dunno...but they WILL have phun!

[Gryphin]

Yes We WILL Have Phun, (not Pnn). for new citizens of the Crystal 'Lyn.

[ May 16, 2003, 12:16: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Ragnarok]

You guys probably don't know this but I look forward to reading this thread each morning when I first come to the forums. I crack up laughing at some of the stuff you say, some of the puns you guys use. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Just thought you'd like to know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Gryphin]

Rags, thanks, I did not know that. Welcoem aboard.

If you like I can send you a few of the game turns and you are welcome to write a report from the Ministrtry of Dissin Information.

I'm surprised no one asked me how my Colony ship rammed the fighters.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Rags, thanks, I did not know that. Welcoem aboard.

If you like I can send you a few of the game turns and you are welcome to write a report from the Ministrtry of Dissin Information.

I'm surprised no one asked me how my Colony ship rammed the fighters.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, knowing your pilots, it was probably just bad navigation! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Gryphin]

Slynky,
Well I am especially surprised you did not call me on it since the real story is your fighters fragged my ship in 2 combat turns. 34million innocent, (ok not so innocent. They were criminals on their way to establish a penal colony). Crystal ‘Lyns died.
You heartless organic

[Slynky]

Well, we are NOTHING if not heartless. As a matter of fact, we ARE heartless. Our organic makeup has eliminated the need for hearts. Besides the obvious savings on pacemakers, it provides untold amounts of freedom from guilt. Therefore, we can slaughter species like it was the greatest of fads without so much as a twitch in our heartstrings (oh, we don't have heartstrings either http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

[Gryphin]

Report from the Ministry of Dissin Information
Location: Lick Me
Situation: Our forces are enjoying a few more months of R and R on Lick Me Prime.
Eight Troop Transports are enrought.
When They arive we will begin the liberation of Deadness.

For furter updates please re read this document.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Report from the Ministry of Dissin Information
Location: Lick Me
Situation: Our forces are enjoying a few more months of R and R on Lick Me Prime.
Eight Troop Transports are enrought.
When They arive we will begin the liberation of Deadness.

For furter updates please re read this document.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And "heartlessness" shall rule!

[Gryphin]

Yes it shall but not for much longer.

[Slynky]

I know it's Friday night and you got lots of wild sex parties that you need to attend, but we await your fleets.

Oh, sorry, got your sex life and your empire confused... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
You guys probably don't know this but I look forward to reading this thread each morning when I first come to the forums. I crack up laughing at some of the stuff you say, some of the puns you guys use. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Just thought you'd like to know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Drat! And I've been trying sooooooo hard to attract attention to the Challenge Match... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif with my incredible writing talent. Well, maybe not incredible writing talent. But passable. Hmmmmm, maybe not even passable. OK, OK! So I write like an 8-year-old with an Issac Assimov complex! (please see my thread entitled: "Forum Addiction".)

[Slynky]

And you don't read your email...sorry...your loss...LOL.

[Slynky]

Oh, and by the way...if you are feeling the LEAST bit generous, SEND MINERALS! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Gryphin]

Hey I don't want you to think I planned that inscursion into Paradox. That was a rouge captian. I would never send a crew threw a warp point just to find out how many fighters you have there. Nope not me. That guy was crazyzzzz

[Gryphin]

Hey Slynky, Wake up!
It is only 12:00
Are you afraid to play another turn?

[Slynky]

Got plenty of turns waiting...but I replied to your message you sent me and my PC locked up twice...so I deleted it.

You have been practicing safe email, right?

PS: I think my turn got sucked!

[Gryphin]

EDIT:
Your Turn got threw.
Hmm, another one of my captains in an opsolete ships went through another warp point. sheeshe waht a bunch of cowboys.

yes, I replyed from windingstream.com. This means that email viruss could not have infected it.

You'r a tech, Reboot.

works for me.

[ May 17, 2003, 05:09: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

LOL....rebooted...clicked "reply"...locked.

Guess I should contact IT for help.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Anyway, deleted your message and sent a new one...ball is in your court...so to speak. Also, can't believe I'm STILL in 3rd. However...a bit better than the 4th place I was in for MANY turns... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

BTW, so my request for minerals is denied? I need something to build my BC's with!

[Gryphin]

Sure, I'll send minerals, You can extract them from the pellets I frag your fighters with.
(oh, and from the 3 ships of those roughe captians.

[Slynky]

With all the warships I have coming off the line...where is my second place?

Ugh...sending a fleet of 6 ships to make a religious conVersion of an irriation of 14 light cruisers south of me.

I will leave the imprint of the talisman on their decaying skulls!

[Gryphin]

Hmm, you must be in a war with the flower children.

The Torons keep sending me:
Message from the Toron Confederation:
"A treaty of Trade Alliance would benefit us both."
I wonder how long till they decide to attack.

[Slynky]

******* weed bastards of mishappen seeds!

Met them once. Next turn? WAR!

So, let them soak up the talisman image!

[Gryphin]

My experiance is those weeds use the Talisman also. More than once they have sliced through my LC's like a nasty fart at a wedding.

[ May 17, 2003, 05:40: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

OR as I say, "like a fart in an art gallery".

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Slynky]

OT from the little war we are involved in:

Now listen carefully: (and don't be upset if I dragged your precious into this thread, but you don't read your email...grin)

Tell her to RUN. (not walk) And buy TaTu!

DUDE! I'm 52 and this "youngster" music is TOPS! Tell her to get it and go to their Russian website.

[Gryphin]

You I always trust with my sweetie, does your wife?

And in our cases that would be Old farts in an art gallery.

[Gryphin]

I replyed via outlook. lets see if that works.

I can keep going as long as you can.

[Slynky]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

So true....old farts with young poots, as females go.

Guess I won out tonight...still humping turns!

[Gryphin]

Me to and that is after an hour and a half of, well, never mind.

[Slynky]

You crack me up... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I enjoy this exchange and others should have as much fun.

Meanwhile, I branded the imprint of the talisman on the foreheads (well, what passes for foreheads on weeds) and they got their asses whooped!

Seems all the sudden they want a treaty. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Too bad rules prohibit me from accepting so I can turn my attention to you.

However, BC's are on the shipyard now!

[Gryphin]

I enjoy this exchange and others should have as much fun.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You mispelled phun

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I enjoy this exchange and others should have as much fun.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You mispelled phun</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, phuck, I sure as heck did! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Gryphin]

Ya wanna make turn 33 the Last one tonight so we aren't in trouble with the ones who Rule the nest?

The Torons are now Muderous toward me.

[ May 17, 2003, 06:46: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

No problem...

I got my wish... 2nd place!

And a few dead flowers (we HATE flowers).

There never was a contest to see who could stay up late...I just love playing this game.

As the title says, PHUN!

And I am having it!

So, cash in for a better vision tomorrow. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Gryphin]

I'll be home alone tomorrow night. Can play till....

[Slynky]

Sorry for any email you may have sent...Charter decided to have an email server problem (but not web access).

So, catch you later!

As always, a Phun game!

[Gryphin]

Don't worry about communicaitons.

You might want to worry about Paradice.
You could say I'm knocking on heaven's door.

[Gryphin]

Good morning.
You may want to have coffee before looking at the turn 34.

Paradice is Mine!

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Good morning.
You may want to have coffee before looking at the turn 34.

Paradice is Mine!<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ouch! (Ouch!) Ouch! (Did I say, " ouch!)

[Gryphin]

This turn is going to take me quite a while. I have to make sure my "Do Not Glass Planet" strat works right.

Oh, did that hurt?

< Insert Crystal 'Lyn laughter >
The space crakcles with electric light as the vibratiosn travel.

[ May 17, 2003, 15:34: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Gryphin]

BC: "WindOfDeath"?
I look forward to breaking WindOfDeath.

"Turn Currently Executing"
More like Tessellate Currently Executing"

[ May 17, 2003, 16:16: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
[QB]BC: "WindOfDeath"?
I look forward to breaking WindOfDeath.
QB]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes! Steer clear of my exhaust! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Slynky]

By the way, when you said no repair, does that mean repair modules or that you can't even repair a ship at a shipyard?

[Gryphin]

No repair? did I say that?
Forget it. I must have been drunk. Feel free to repair.

[Gryphin]

That hurt.
Man did I just learn a leason. I hope you got a good laugh.
That hurt.

The Tessellates would like to thank you for taking those 38 ships out of our invetory. They really were a drag on our resourses.

The Crystal 'Lyn are greatful for this service you have done for us.

[ May 18, 2003, 00:45: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

Mostly just luck. I surely didn't know you'd be sending over small fleets to group at that wormhole when I came through.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
I'll be home alone tomorrow night. Can play till....<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sorry about missing you Last night. Wifey, duaghter, and I went out to Applebees and then some cosmic bowling. Both of us just got new bowling balls and wanted to try them out...and what better conditions than cosmic bowling.

[Gryphin]

Family Phun is more important than Phed Phun.
Alpplebees? ewwwww. I'm sorry to hear that.

Cosmic bowling? Never heard of it. What is different about it?

Once again we would like to thank you for removing those obsolete ships from our inventory.

We apriciate this service.

(ouch).

[ May 18, 2003, 16:07: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

Phamily Phun is important. I have to try and balance my fun.

Cosmic bowling? Well, it starts after 10 pm. The alley turns off all the lights and turns on the black lights. Turn on the spinning globes, swirling spotlight (think: dance club), has "tracing lights" down the ball return shoots, and they crank up the music (techno/dance). There are some lights but mostly just black lights. I'll have to snag a pic next time (if possible). It's pretty kewl though I'm a bit old to be there...all those teenage guys with their "slinky" girlfriends (about half of them "gothed out"...yes, people "goth" in Georgia... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ).

I know you're planning more surprises for me. But, you might need more than the 27 ships in "Bare it All"...(sly grin).

But, seriously speaking, still touch-and-go for both of us.

[Gryphin]

Cosmic bowling does sound like it could be Phun. Escpcialy since I'm night blind.

27? in Bare it All, How do you know I don't have more?

How good are your scanners?

I have a lot of suprises though have to admit your scrapping of 75 LCs is not exactly part of my strategy. Just don't tell the High Tesselate. He thinks we are working together to keep ship inventory under control.

[Slynky]

I think I'm gonna bust a gut... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

OK, it's a deal. NO propaganda either way. Meaning, don't let the rest of my population know you have been absconding with my colonies!

[Gryphin]

I think I'm going to bust a tear duct. I didn't know you could get BC, Reg Tal, PPB V in less than 40 turns! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
I think I'm going to bust a tear duct. I didn't know you could get BC, Reg Tal, PPB V in less than 40 turns! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, I just got it in time. I scrambled to study ships and PPB after that...as you can see, I got to LC with PPB 2's before they had to rush off to war.

When I missed that turn, the dumb AI moved all my fighters away from the warp holes I need to guard. In the south, it just so happens "Weed Boy" came through with 17 ships right after they got back in place but were out of fuel. So, he took a few losses but made it through the hole. Talk about scrambling! These days, I keep about 6 ships down there and he sends 3 or 4 ships through every turn. Needless to say, I'm getting a well-trained fleet down there. Since he lost so many ships, he bomards me with treaty offers every 2 turns. Usually something about needing to "share the light"... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Gryphin]

Abscounding with your colonies?
Just tell them it is a culteral exdchange.

[Gryphin]

Hey Phun Phed, Be gentle please. Ok, just be gentle.

slynky:
BTW: If it is clear your plaent is about to be captured remember to scrap the facilites. If you think you won't be able to re capture it, Abandon it. Don't let it fall into my hands.

[ May 20, 2003, 01:15: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

Well, I expect to see 60 ships or so after that remark...let me open my turn and take a look.

[Slynky]

Darn "flower childrem" south of me! Loading their ships with armor after armor of 150kt of damage absorbtion. Takes forever to kill one of their ships.

Weeds! Who needs 'em? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Hey Phun Phed, Be gentle please. Ok, just be gentle.

slynky:
BTW: If it is clear your plaent is about to be captured remember to scrap the facilites. If you think you won't be able to re capture it, Abandon it. Don't let it fall into my hands.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, if I make mistakes, I gotta live with them. As to losing planets in Slynkyland (REALLY embarrassing!), I didn't think I'd lose them.

[Gryphin]

Taking Slynkyland was desparation. I knew they would never survive going back through Deadness so I chanced the black hole.
Those ships made it throgh the black hole of "Steve is Badenough" and arrived with one turn with supplys left.

I just did the math. If I threw 1/2 my fleet through the warp point at Paradice i would still lose.

19 Sats with 2 PPB each - 38 shots at 100 pts per
All those fighters
a few LCS
how many BCs???
come get me big boy.

[Slynky]

Paradise should be anything but a paradise after the battle with yor 72 ships. I'll subtract 20 (or so) ships due to them being support. So, call it 52 ships. Against my 18 and satellites. There are more satellites there, though.

One weird turn of events...I was lucky to check the "stack" as I saw your fleet building and noticed I didn't have a talisman on board. They couldn't have hit a turd in a punchbowl. But now, it's there. I figure my satellites can kill 7-8 ships per combat round.

It should be a good fight.

Battleships are in the yards, though!

[Slynky]

Well, there it is. I suspect you are anxious to see how your 72 ships did.

(oh, and me, too... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif )

[Gryphin]

It will be interesting because I chose the one strategy everyone says won't work.

[Slynky]

Would that be the "back off" strategy? I see you halted the big fleet. But, of course, made one just as big somewhere else! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Just where do you get all those resources!?!?

[Gryphin]

You have only seen two?
Hmm, that tells me a lot. Tells me where you arnt.

[Slynky]

Off to bed for me. After all, there are lots of people wanting to ask why their monitor doesn't come one.

[Gryphin]

Their systems would work a lot better if people like you and me did not go around unplugging them..

[Slynky]

Yep, winner for today was one of our own IT staff. She called about being unable to see the domain. So, we ran through all the IP address (DNS, WINS, default gateway, etc.). Finally, I asked if she had the LAN cable plugged in. I guess you know the answer to that!

[Gryphin]

but why did you unplug her cable in the first place?

Question:
Can 20 of your BCs take out 70 of my Expendables.

[ May 21, 2003, 02:51: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

Well, you don't have 70 "Expendables" in one location. They are split up. So, in that case, I think I can.

But, not if they were all in the same location at once! That's a sure thing. And remember, your missiles can't take out satellites. So, you'll be losing those destroyers quickly.

[Gryphin]

Almost every fleet has 70 ships or more.

I have no intention of going through your sat guarded warp points. That is why I sent Capt Hapless through. Well, actuly he did not voluter so we rewired his navagation equipment. You should have heard his Last words....

I expect if I can support that many ships I must have quite the installed research base. hmmmm....

BTW: What's up with that Suicide Captain. Do all of your scouts go around attacking a fleet of 70 ships?????!!! What did he do at the imperial court to draw that mission?? Was he caught messing with the admerals daughter?

[ May 21, 2003, 12:06: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

"Almost every fleet has 70 ships or more."

Yeah, but not 70 Expendables...just 70 or more ships of one kind or another.

"I expect if I can support that many ships I must have quite the installed research base. hmmmm...."

Not sure about the research base (since it doesn't have much to do with maintaining ships) but you must have plenty of resources... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

"BTW: What's up with that Suicide Captain. Do all of your scouts go around attacking a fleet of 70 ships?????!!! What did he do at the imperial court to draw that mission?? Was he caught messing with the admerals daughter?"

Captain Hapless's twin lesbian sister. She wanted a sex change operation so she could be just like him but was turned down. Then, it seems, she decided to go out in glory like her brother did.

[Gryphin]

I see the stress of deep space must have gotten to her. Pooor girl / guy what ever you organics call them.

BTW: is the game set to run on Last player uploads without a time limit?

Turns are taking me an hour sometimes. Kinda draining.

[Slynky]

Yeah, looking at the key on the site, it's after Last upload.

Take your time. Me? I don't have so much to do... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Gryphin]

You must be busy plugging in those network cables.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
You must be busy plugging in those network cables.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Trying to plug some defenses in! I keep seeing hundreds of ships staring at me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Gryphin]

Staring and salivating, (in a crystalyn way)

[Gryphin]

Pooh Star has me a bit busy. She will be out of town from Saterday morning through Sunday atfternoon. I should be able to make up for lost time.
sorry for the delay.

[Slynky]

Hey, no problem! Gives us a bit of time to enjoy life a little bit longer.

[Slynky]

You just lurking or lurking while doing a turn? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Slynky]

Hmmm, posted to the thread but the count didn't go up nor did it move to the top of the page. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[ May 24, 2003, 18:35: Message edited by: Slynky ]

[Gryphin]

I'll have a turn in by 5:00. Life has been "interesting"

EDIT: Make that 5:45.
(you don't want to know what I was doing)

[ May 24, 2003, 22:40: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

I HATE those flowering buttwipes!

[Slynky]

The game seems to be langishing a bit, Gryph. Or are you just waiting till the AI kills me... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Gryphin]

Well they can't kill you unless we play another turn. I should have let you know I would be delayed. I will have a turn up by 6pm tomorrow.

Hmm, If they are butt wipes I guess we know who the butt is.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:

Hmm, If they are butt wipes I guess we know who the butt is.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL, I guess I fell into THAT one!

[Gryphin]

Fell? into it, more like walked into a fell ambush like the one that is coming up.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Fell? into it, more like walked into a fell ambush like the one that is coming up.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It will be interesting... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Slynky]

Something happened to the game. It ignored my turn. Looking into it now.

[Slynky]

My mistake. Worked wrong turn. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

[Gryphin]

I have not down loaded my turn, do you want to do over?

[Slynky]

Yeah, sent you an email wondering if Geo could be bothered. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[Gryphin]

Geo could you do us the honor?

[Gryphin]

Ok, Phyn Phed, your fried.

[Slynky]

Does this mean the game has been reset? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[geoschmo]

Gah! I haven't been following the thread and I didn't get any emails. Are guys needing something done here?

Geoschmo

[Slynky]

I'm at work now, so I don't remember exactly. But I got mixed up and submitted for the wrong game turn and when I got my turn back, it was a disaster. Wondering if you could reset it to run back a turn so I could upload the new player file (done from the correct turn number).

[Gryphin]

Geo If you can that would be great!

[geoschmo]

Ok, I set the game back a turn. I highly suggest that each of you download the turn currently available on the site and play it fresh rather then trying to upload a .plr file you already have on your machine. It's easy to get confused about which turn it is and end up uploading a wrong turn again if you don't.

Geoschmo

[Gryphin]

Thanks again Geo

[Slynky]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Ok, I set the game back a turn. I highly suggest that each of you download the turn currently available on the site and play it fresh rather then trying to upload a .plr file you already have on your machine. It's easy to get confused about which turn it is and end up uploading a wrong turn again if you don't.

Geoschmo<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And then, of course, there's already a histroy showing how stupid I can be... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

(Tks, Geo, I know you're busy. You can take it out of my hide in the Challenge match. Oh? You would have done that anyway http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif ?)

[Slynky]

Those sorry flower people broke through my defenses. Guess I've been preparing for your 200 ships too much http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Gryphin]

I doubt very much that the pansies are the least bit contrite.
Mean while my Toron Invasion Fleet is near complletion.

200? Man you have lousy intelligence

[Slynky]

Well, not sure about the "enemy" on your side, but mine has the Talisman and some other advanced trait that's kicking my ***. Not to mention he keeps running intel crap on me (and I'm not allowed to use intel defenses).

Well, there BETTER be more than 200 ships. I'm going to gobble those missiles up like spaghetti noodles http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Gryphin]

Ok, if you want to run intel for defence it is ok with me.
I think it is a wasite of resourses.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Ok, if you want to run intel for defence it is ok with me.
I think it is a wasite of resourses.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, no, no...hehe. Not going to change the rules now. I'll just have to deal with it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif It's what makes it challenging...like you said, a DIFFERENT kind of game.

[Gryphin]

If it makes you feel better I just lost a five ship invasion fleet to
"Steve is Bad Enough"

[Slynky]

Well, of COURSE that makes me feel better. What IRONY... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

You see, I know where they were headed. And, you'll need upwards of 150 medium troops for any of my planets over there!

[Gryphin]

Only 150?
Small planet?

[Gryphin]

Well no one can backstab me in this game but if we are ever in an allyance I know I can trust you as far as we define.
How many gentlman agreements are there in this game?

[Slynky]

How many? 10 (but you eased on Repair... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

Big thread I started, I guess... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif .

[Gryphin]

You found a very sensitive button and pushed it.
"backstabber" has a very negative conotation.

you could cheat on any of the agreements and I would never know. Yet I know you wont.

go figure

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
You found a very sensitive button and pushed it.
"backstabber" has a very negative conotation.

you could cheat on any of the agreements and I would never know. Yet I know you wont.

go figure<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks for the trust. If I ever win games, I like to do it honorably. Cheating is a complete NO-NO. Playing underhanded is less of a NO-NO, but I'll not do it either.

Although, I SURE would like to take a fleet south and "burn" some weeds! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Having troubles invading the Flower Chidren? Other than being the toughest AI they are just a bunch of pansys. Sheesh,
Well, I'll tell ya what.
I'll tell ya what, With the exception any system beyon "Universe" I will not enter any space you consider yours for 20 turns. You can take your fleets from the worm holes to attack the Flower Power.

Note: I consider all of space Mine so we can't use that definiiton.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh NO, no more concessions http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

When I win, it's going to be by the rules you set up. I have plans for those "Hippies" down there in spite of your fleets. (Well, HOPEFULLY!)

[Gryphin]

Well as your spies will report my fleet size will be leveling off at about 100 as I deal with the Torons.
I selected that AI for this game because I love the ship set.
This is gonna be Phun.
I'm at the office for a while today. I'll send in my move by 2:00 maybe sooner.

[Slynky]

Just drinking beer a bit so waiting might be to your advantage anyhow http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif .

[Gryphin]

I'll have time for one turn then off to a bday party for Pooh Star. She will be 38. I got her the 2nd season of Buffy on DVD and a ____ ____, ____ ___, and ____ from a Adult Botique so most likely I will not be making a turn tonight.
< The Gryphin Gryns >

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
I'll have time for one turn then off to a bday party for Pooh Star. She will be 38. I got her the 2nd season of Buffy on DVD and a ____ ____, ____ ___, and ____ from a Adult Botique so most likely I will not be making a turn tonight.
< The Gryphin Gryns ><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I "hear" that loud and clear. Funny you mention Buffy. I just got word Season 4 is shipping (it was a pre-order). Michelle is a Buffy fanatic.

[Gryphin]

Having troubles invading the Flower Chidren? Other than being the toughest AI they are just a bunch of pansys. Sheesh,
Well, I'll tell ya what.
I'll tell ya what, With the exception any system beyon "Universe" I will not enter any space you consider yours for 20 turns. You can take your fleets from the worm holes to attack the Flower Power.

Note: I consider all of space Mine so we can't use that definiiton.

[Slynky]

I'm off to Kentucky to install another server (and some workstations). Depending on time (and if a turn is ready), I'll do the turn from there.

[Gryphin]

Ok, I'm back in the saddle, (you don't want to know where I was, (trust me))
I'll have 2 turns in tonight.

Sorry about the delay.

[Gryphin]

ROTFLMAO
I finaly get the guts up to "Recycle" some obsolete ships by sending the through the warp point and it is undefended?
You are wide open, WTF?

BTW: I'm not laughing at you. I'm amused at myself for taking so long to take the plunge only to find the door unguarded.

Now, what do i do with my other 200 ships?

[ June 19, 2003, 00:06: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
ROTFLMAO
BTW: I'm not laughing at you. I'm amused at myself for taking so long to take the plunge only to find the door unguarded.

Now, what do i do with my other 200 ships?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">NP. And, I'd be happy to help you scrap some more. As to that door, to some system called "Dead...." something or other, well, it's not a place we like to be anyhow. However, the other "doors" are guarded well. You might as well forget that "Expendables" idea...hehe. Of course, it is a good name... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Slynky]

I see you've been having some extreme fun (in secret, of course http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ).

BTW, I don't think there's much you can do in a stock game that can keep you from being seen, is there? Unless you can become a mine...hehe.

[Gryphin]

Are you asking me or the forum?
My minister of Dissin Information says our XXX hard core Cloaking system will be implemented shortly.
We don't know how you are spying on our ships but they will dissapear shortly.

[Gryphin]

Slynky I see you lurking. Are you going to post some witty rejoinder?

[Slynky]

No real witty retort springs to mind.

(although I AM wondering just how you plan to scrap all those ships)

[Gryphin]

Scrap? Did I say "Scrap"? I don't think so. I Wonder how good your spy sats are. That is what you are using isn't it?

One turn you will be able to see my fleets, the next turn you won't. It is that simple.

To paraphrase Kamchack,
"I am a Gryphn, I have a plan"

EDIT:
Reguarding limits on being scene:
From the FAQ

5.9.7 To see a cloaked (level X) ship, you only need 1 kind of sensor (hyper optic, tachyon, gravitic, temporal, psychic) level X in the system. This sensor can be on any of your ships or sat’s, your ally’s ship’s or sat’s (even the ship/sat that is cloaked!!!). This does not take into account storm/nebula effects.
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[ June 20, 2003, 20:06: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Gryphin]

Location: The planet farthest from Phun Phed Phace
Date: 60-th Turn
A meeting of the very highest of the high is taking place
The attendees all communicating in muted vibrations, (aka whispers)
Servant 1 to Servant 2 – Why are they all mutting? The enemy is 20 warp points from here they could never infiltrate this far.
Servant 2: They think it is cool

Location: A secrete place nobody but nobody knows about, (not even the people present)
Secret person #1: Sir, we have problems
Secret person #2: What kind of problems
Secret person #1: The enemy knows how many ships we have
Secret person #2: Sorry, That’s not my department
Secret Person #1: What is your department
Secret Person #2: Sorry, that’s a secrete
Secret Perons #1: Were are we
Secret Person #2: Sorry, that’s a secrete
Secrete Person #1: What can you tell me
Secret Person #2: Sorry, that’s a secrete
Secret Person #1: Who should I talk to, no wait, don’t tell me, that’s a secret.
Secret Person #2: Sorry, that’s a secrete

From the ministry of Dissin Information
The bad news: The enemy knows how many ships we have.
The good news: The we are going to recycle lots and lots of them so they won’t know how many ships we have
The bad news: A lot of our brave people are going to die

Good news. We will soon achieve cloaking level XXX. Now no children will be able to see us. Nothing in the known quadrant can see through it except adults and we know the Phun Pheds don’t have any.. (we hope)

If you have any questions please ask for an exact copy of this
Thank you and have a good day http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
Where are we?
Secret Person #2: Sorry, that’s a secrete
Minister of Dissin Informaiton puls out crystalline Pzzt gun
Arrrrrgtgggg, Bzzzt - Splat, Bzzzzt Splat, Bzzzzt Splish, (oops I missed) but I feel better

[Gryphin]

The Dissin Information Minister would like to appolgies for the small error in accuracy.
The truth is we have known about your ships in our systmes for at least .. well that would be telling.
< The Gryphin Gryns >

[Slynky]

Ya know, "Flower Boy" is starting to REALLY be a pain! As if it's not tough enough fighting his Talisman AND his Organic crap, I had to do some crop-dusting on a fleet of over 25 ships (mostly battlecruisers) ships of his down south. I think I need to mount some Ortho on my ships.

When I saw the combat file of nearly 50K, I thought it was you attacking. You should have seen how long it took PBW to process the darn turn!

[Gryphin]

From the office of Dissin Information
The Tessellate Empire is in Violation of the Gryphin Convention
The Millette Tary Minnister, (MT Blun Der Puss), and the Re Search Minister, (MT Know Nada), conspired to use Boarding parties against the Torons.
First the Millette Tary Minister setup clandestine camps to train the boarding parties. He then had built specialized ships with compartments to aid these mis guieded troops in there savage assaults on the Torons.

Then the Re Search Minister Ana Lyzed the captured ships.

Our Great Leader Gryphin never knew anything about these plans. He appolgies to the Torons and the Phun Phederation

The Millette Tary Minister says he “forgot”. The Re Search Minister says “he didn’t know and was only following orders.

In order to compensate for these gross violations of this noble treaty the Tessellates will voluntarily:
Fire on All captured ships, (the will not be scraped)
Retro fit all ships with boarding parties
Send all boarding parties to re hab, (they will make good ground up troops)
Finish current research projects and then not do any research for 5 months. (It will take us that long to find a new Research Minister)

[Slynky]

Phun Pfederation Phact Release:

Though it's known that all races pheel a streak of bloodthirsty-ness, all sentient races in this galaxy have agreed to adhere to certain rules of engagement. When the Phun Pfederation pfound phacts of rules violation, we accepted the apologies of the Crystal Gails.

Of course, we still hate them and will endeavor to destroy them. After all, that's what makes makes war phun!

[Gryphin]

Tisk Tisk, you hate us? We don't hate you. You are nice things. You are simply in our wey.

[Gryphin]

Posted by Slynky in another thread:
Believe me, you DON'T want to know!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">(his pet peeves).
Sure I do but I did not want to gunk up that thread. Let me guess:
United Floral
Games controled by the Gryphin Convention of 2003
My Dissin Framtion Misnister

[Slynky]

Naw, real world gripes. Stuff that makes it REAL easy to embrace the movie, "Falling Down" (see other thread).