Ratings

[SgtBigG]

Can someone explain how the forum rating system works? Or more importantly why someone thinks I am such a moron that I should get one star?

Thanks,
G

[Gryphin]

Ignore it or disable it. It is not worth the bandwidth it takes up. I don't disable mine because that would mean I acknowledge its existance.

[Slynky]

I've often wondered, too. I mean, not to the point of losing sleep... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif , but curiouis.

So, taking my guess, the rating is a combination of:

(1) Posts you have made that helped people with a question;

(2) Whether you have or have not flamed someone;

(3) Wit and humor; and

(4) Good player (meaning reliable as an ally, getting turns in on time, ability, etc.)

Of course, that's just my opinon...I'll probably get my rating dropped now... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif .

[ May 04, 2003, 16:04: Message edited by: Slynky ]

[Taera]

good answer so you prolly wont http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
yes, it is most usually that way. You only receive good rating usually, unless you do something BAD. then you get a low one.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Taera:
good answer so you prolly wont http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
yes, it is most usually that way. You only receive good rating usually, unless you do something BAD. then you get a low one.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Also, it would be nice to know WHEN you got another rating and WHO it was. 'Course, if you got a bad rating... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif ...maybe better to keep it anonymouos http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

Oh, and thanks for the rating http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif .

[Slynky]

On a serious note (yes, I AM capable of it).

Your reputation follows you.

(1) People naturally like someone who is witty, funny, a good player, and helpful.

(2) People don't like the three A's: Arrogance, *******s, and Anger.

If you ever cross the "border" on either 1 or 2 above, someone will take the time to post their feelings in the form of a rating.

Finally, no matter how you act, there is always the chance someone with an attitude on a particular day will take their anger out on you for no particular reason at all.

[Erax]

Sgt., I see your rating has gone up to two stars. If you are really worried about it, look at your previous Posts and see if anything in them could have irritated someone. Disagreeing with Fyron doesn't count, I did that and he didn't rate me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

And there's always the chance someone wanted to rate the post above or below yours and clicked on yours by mistake.

[SgtBigG]

Originally posted by Slynky:

Finally, no matter how you act, there is always the chance someone with an attitude on a particular day will take their anger out on you for no particular reason at all.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well that would be it I guess. Since I have only posted once in the Last two weeks or so and that was only a general non-offensive question. I don't really care I was just curious if it was because I somehow pissed someone off. I guess I'll never know. Thanks.

G

[Grandpa Kim]

It seems there is some childish moron on the Boards lately who glories in the ability to force a newby's rating as low as possible. I'm sure he would give them a zero were it possible. SgtBigG, you are not his only victim.

Personally I do not give anyone a rating unless I can give them a 5.

P.S. Love your sig.!

[ May 04, 2003, 18:20: Message edited by: Grandpa Kim ]

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Grandpa Kim:
Personally I do not give anyone a rating unless I can give them a 5.

P.S. Love your sig.!<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh, I'd give a low rating to someone who really posted some sort of inflammatory message. Or downright called someone a cheater. etc. But, I haven't seen any of those here.

Lots of people who love the game. And love to win, I suppose. I see lots of people tease with others and I see it as teasing...in a friendly way. And that's what makes this community great. That one can kid around. Of course, there is the chance that someone will take it wrong... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif .

[ May 04, 2003, 18:24: Message edited by: Slynky ]

[mottlee]

I will rate low it someone starts FLAME wars

[SgtBigG]

Originally posted by Grandpa Kim:

P.S. Love your sig.!<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks, I can't take credit for it though. It comes from Col. Jeff Cooper.

G

[oleg]

I used to have a perfect 5 stars before posting a negative opinion about Iraqi war. Then it droped to 3.52 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Since that I made a new shipset (Manticore) and it get up to 4.2 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif , So, BigG, make your own shipset and you will be redeemed for any sin http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[JLS]

Wow, Oleg, your asking for another pop http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[oleg]

No, I did not ask, I innuendo http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif " You can be everything you want to be... surrender your ego, be free, be free ! ... "

[JLS]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif be free, be free http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

~~~~~LOL~~~~~

Edit: Thanks Oleg, I needed that. I just gave you a 5 Rating http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ May 05, 2003, 21:37: Message edited by: JLS ]

[Fyron]

There is also some petty child that goes around and gives all newbies a rating of one for some reason that is beyond me.

[Grandpa Kim]

Originally posted by mottlee:
I will rate low it someone starts FLAME wars<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nope! That just acknowledges their existence. I ignore them completely. Puts them right off their franks and beans.

[oleg]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
There is also some petty child that goes around and gives all newbies a rating of one for some reason that is beyond me.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OK. I think I am going overboard here so please delete/edit this post if appropriate.
Basicaly I think such behaviour is related to sexual disfunction directing a person for violating something he consider virgin. For example an individual with very few Posts in this forum. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[Erax]

Can't the admins find out who this is ? Has someone talked to them about it ?

[Azselendor]

Why don't they turn the rating systems off? that would be the easiest solution.

[Fyron]

The Moderators can not check Ratings, and the only forum admin (Tim Brooks) isn't too responsive to us lowly members. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

But I do agree that the best solution would be to eliminate the Ratings mod altogether. It adds nothing beneficial to the forum.

[Taz-in-Space]

Taz just ATE his stars...try them they are tasty!

How do you eat your stars you ask?

1) go to profile
2) scroll down to the display Ratings question
3) check the NO option
4) save profile
5) enjoy no longer seeing stars!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

It adds nothing beneficial to the forum.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sure it does. It gives us all something to gripe about and boost our post count. See, if we didn't have the rating system then you wouldn't have as many Posts as you do. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

But I for one, do not care about what my rating is. So I am not going to bother shutting it off.

[Gwaihir]

I think its kinda fun, actually. I started with a one-star rating (probably hit by that guy who was being a jerk, oh well), but I though "ooh, how exciting, i have a rating now!" and then it was ever so exciting when it went up to 2, and now, wonder of joyous wonders, its 3! oh boy! and if it ever goes down again, eh, so what, i don't really mind, except that then theres a chance it will go bak up, and i can be excited ALL OVER AGAIN! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

edit:
Here's a post about ranks and rankings from a while back:
http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=23;t=006899;p=1

has a list of the ranks too, reprinted here for convenience:

# Posts = rank:
0 = Private
51 = Corporal
200 = Sergeant
400 = Second Lieutenant
600 = First Lieutenant
800 = Captain
1000 = Major
1250 = Lieutenant Colonel
1500 = Colonel
1750 = Brigadier General
2000 = Major General
2500 = Lieutenant General
3000 = General
3500 = National Security Advisor
4000 = Ruler of the World

hrm, given that i've edited all but about 10 Posts, and double, triple, and quadruple edited a few, if edits counted, i'd be a Sergeant by now. *sigh* it'll probably be another week and a half before i get 103 more Posts.

[ May 06, 2003, 05:58: Message edited by: Gwaihir ]

[Gryphin]

Maybe they can serve those cute stars on the SSS Phongs Head.

[Gwaihir]

Like the swedish chef! (anyone remember that muppets episode?)

edit:
OOh, yay, my rating went up by .08!! WHeeee! see, its fun and exciting! Yippee! (and thanks to whoever yall are that have given me nice Ratings http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

[ May 07, 2003, 20:08: Message edited by: Gwaihir ]

[Aloofi]

Rating is overated. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I had a pretty good rating untill I started oppossing the war in Iraq, calling Bush a moron, and defending Israel.
I guess some people are childish enough to rate people based in non-SE4 issues.
Anyway, I removed the option to rate me not just because it sunk to the bottom, but because I started feeling like that rating is a pressure to be liked by the group, and I'm not like that. I'm what I am and I'm as politically incorrect or correct as I believe is right, and the Last thing I want is to be judged.

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[Gwaihir]

yeah, if mine sinks to 1 again i'll probably kill it, but at the moment it's fun to watch it go up little by little.

Hrm, thats really unjustified of them, i agree. its supposed to be about giving good advice and stuff, not agreeing/disagreeing with political opinions.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Aloofi:
Rating is overated. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I had a pretty good rating untill I started oppossing the war in Iraq, calling Bush a moron, and defending Israel.
I guess some people are childish enough to rate people based in non-SE4 issues.
Anyway, I removed the option to rate me not just because it sunk to the bottom, but because I started feeling like that rating is a pressure to be liked by the group, and I'm not like that. I'm what I am and I'm as politically incorrect or correct as I believe is right, and the Last thing I want is to be judged.

.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I dunno about your comments on "tha war" (I gon't bother reading those threads) but I can remember your name associated with some remarks that I would label "uncalled for": remarks about a person's chosen nickname here and, I think, even his choice of Einstein as an avatar. I'd call that a personal attack for no apparent reason that I could discern.

So, just maybe it wasn't your views on "tha war". I didn't bother to go make any adjustment to your rating, but the comments you made in that thread were remembered. It was back when you had some wizard (or something) as your avatar.

[ May 07, 2003, 20:49: Message edited by: Slynky ]

[Aloofi]

Originally posted by Slynky:
but I can remember your name associated with some remarks that I would label "uncalled for": remarks about a person's chosen nickname here and, I think, even his choice of Einstein as an avatar. I'd call that a personal attack for no apparent reason that I could discern.

.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Really?
Gregbowman's name really sounds like Gregwoman if you happen to have Israeli accent, and in no way I told him that as an offense. And my comment of Einstein looking sick as in sexually sick was intended as a joke.
In the end, nothing in this world is "uncalled for".
If you wanna be accepted by posting not what you really think, but what is going to be accepted, then be free to do so.
I post what i think is right, even though it might be wrong, and if its wrong according to what i believe to be right, then I will apologize and try to amend it, like the other day when Oleg called to my attention some poorly phrased comment from my part about stepsons.

About politics, enjoy your freedom of speech, it might not Last much longer, me fear.

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[Slynky]

Originally posted by Aloofi:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Slynky:
but I can remember your name associated with some remarks that I would label "uncalled for": remarks about a person's chosen nickname here and, I think, even his choice of Einstein as an avatar. I'd call that a personal attack for no apparent reason that I could discern.

.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">... like the other day when Oleg called to my attention some poorly phrased comment from my part about stepsons.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Perhaps this was one of those cases as the person in question seemed inclined to "defend" himself a bit, I didn't take it as kidding around (perhaps MY mistake), as I recall, another person popped in on the thread and said, "That was not very friendly". Also, you seemed to be irritated over this person's excitement about getting a new PC.

So, as you said above, perhaps you didn't phrase it as well as it should have been if it was intended to be kidding around.

[Aloofi]

Originally posted by Slynky:
Also, you seemed to be irritated over this person's excitement about getting a new PC.

So, as you said above, perhaps you didn't phrase it as well as it should have been if it was intended to be kidding around.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I wasn't irritated, and it was not about getting a new computer, but about the zillion times he said he couldn't play something cause his computer was too old.

Now this Last part, I agree it was not friendly. Everybody have the right to say whatever he wants. Now I see from where you were coming, and I have to accept that you are right.

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[Mephisto]

Originally posted by Aloofi:
Everybody have the right to say whatever he wants.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Except when it hurts the other person. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Aloofi]

Originally posted by Mephisto:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Aloofi:
Everybody have the right to say whatever he wants.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Except when it hurts the other person. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Of course, that's what I meant, that he have the right to complain all he wants about his computer and I should have kept my mouth shut.

You see? I said another thing badly phrased. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Slynky]

Hey, aloofi, you may have the same problem as I do. Boy, sometimes I hear the words in my mind, juggle them around, and type at the same time. Sometimes, the two are different.

Kind of an example:

In my military days...I was in an audience of soldiers who were asking a general on the stage some questions. Many of the questions were phrased badly. He had to ask for clarification. Finally, when I was called upon, I prefaced my question with the remark that I would try to phrase my question so he could understand it. I meant it to be that others hadn't done so. He took it that I was insinuating he was stupid. Immediately afterward, I was explaining myself to the company commander. Ugh!

Regardless, you have indicated you may have worded things badly. Anyone who can admit to "slipping" has a quality many don't.

I certainly didn't mean this to be any kind of "Aloofi bashing". (trying to explain myself... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ) It's just I thought it might make you see there might have been other things that got your rating lowered.

[oleg]

Just to "clear matter" that computer discussion was not about old computer or getting new computer, but that his computer died horrible death and yes, it was mentioned quite a few times. What I really did not figure out how he was able post so many times with dead computer http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[Slynky]

Originally posted by oleg:
Just to "clear matter" that computer discussion was not about old computer or getting new computer, but that his computer died horrible death and yes, it was mentioned quite a few times. What I really did not figure out how he was able post so many times with dead computer http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't know for sure, but I post from my PC at work all the time. So, that's one way.

Also, he might have a friend (certainly, all my children's friends seem to have PCs) who let him use his PC. Another way.

And the library usually has PCs.

It's no big deal really.

[primitive]

Great, A thread that have turned into Aloofi-bashing. I want a piece of that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Aloofi:
When you put that picture of a gun with a smiley beside it in the Iraq thread, you proved once and for all to be an insensitive b...
I asked you to remove it, which you didn't, so it can not be just a slip of mind.

If it still was possible I would have rated you a 1, not because of your opinions, but because of your attitude.

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by primitive:
Aloofi:
When you put that picture of a gun with a smiley beside it in the Iraq thread, you proved once and for all to be an insensitive b...
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Yes, Aloofi is totally insensitve - everyone here loves peace - it isn't like ANYONE plays a game where the population of entire worlds are routinely killed from space, or plauges are deliberately dropped on civilians, or ...
Oh, wait, nevermind. I seem to be in the wrong forum.

[primitive]

Jack,
It seems like one of us don't understand the meaning of the word sarcasm. So I looked it up for you (dictionary.com):
1: A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
2: A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
3: The use of sarcasm. See Synonyms at "wit"

It really worries me when some people can't see the difference between life and death of real people (as discussed in the Iraq thread), and the shifting of some bits in the computer memory.

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by primitive:
It really worries me when some people can't see the difference between life and death of real people (as discussed in the Iraq thread), and the shifting of some bits in the computer memory.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't believe Aloofi ever once said he did anything - all he did was post a picure - just "the shifting of some bits in the computer memory" as you put it. Sure, people's deaths were under discussion, but Aloofi wasn't referring to them at the time; lots of people were posting pictures, some of which depiced people about to be thrown off buildings. Nobody seems to have objected to those. Likewise, nobody objected when the image of an anti-tank weapon was posted, and those do far more damage than a single handgun. Yet you bash Aloofi. Why?

[Gryphin]

Come on guys,
How different would this conversation be if tone inflection and body language could be read?

[Taz-in-Space]

Taz dares anyone to rate him! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Go ahead: I DOUBLE dares Ya! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Oh, yea. I 'ate' my stars. Join the club and TURN OFF those darn nasty stars...

...Why? Because Taz is tired of SEEING STARS!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[primitive]

Jack:
I am sure Aloofi can speak for himself, he has always come across as quite an eloquent young (?) man. If he wants to discus this, I will do it with him (either in public or by PM).

If you can’t see the difference between those pictures/Posts, then it’s your loss, not mine.

[Fyron]

Woohoo! Someone took the heat off of me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Aloofi]

Originally posted by primitive:
Great, A thread that have turned into Aloofi-bashing. I want a piece of that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Aloofi:
When you put that picture of a gun with a smiley beside it in the Iraq thread, you proved once and for all to be an insensitive b...
I asked you to remove it, which you didn't, so it can not be just a slip of mind.

If it still was possible I would have rated you a 1, not because of your opinions, but because of your attitude.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok, I'm back now. Sorry I couldn't continue the discussion yesterday.
About that gun, please I would like to see a link to that post if possible, cause I don't recall posting a gun in an offensive way, though I don't doubt I might have posted a gun, since I don't oppose war by itself, but I opposse wars that i believe are being fought for the benefit of the greed of a few.
I remember quite clear though, that I posted some graphic pictures of dead soldiers that Geo edited out changing them for a link.
I'm not denying that I may have posted a gun, what I'm saying is that its more likely I posted that gun to show something politically incorrect that have been played down by the media or something alone those lines.

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[Aloofi]

Originally posted by Aloofi:
, since I don't oppose war by itself, but I opposse wars that i believe are being fought for the benefit of the greed of a few.

.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">By this I mean that I see 2 kinds of wars.
1- Just wars (self-defense)
2- Injust wars (Unprovoked/greed motivated/imperialist agression)

I'm clarifiying so I don't get called a warmonger, which I am not. I do agree that wars are evil by itself, but when you are attacked there is little choice.

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[Aloofi]

Originally posted by Jack Simth:
Yet you bash Aloofi. Why?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The first thing that comes to my mind is because of my nationality. In off-line life I have found people to be far friendlier to me as long as they don't know from where I am, and I guess its the same way Online. I blame that on the bad coverage Israel gets on the media worldwide, and how Palestinian drive-by-shootings and suicide attacks on civilians are justified as a result of "opression". I think this anti-israeli propaganda works in a subconcious level and make people to have bad prejudices of anything Israeli.

Now, I'm not saying this is why.
I'm just posting my thoughts on this matter, I don't claim to know what is going on in other people minds, nor I'm using this to justify any wrongdoing I may have done.

Man, should I add a disclaimer to my signature?

[Loser]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Come on guys,
How different would this conversation be if tone inflection and body language could be read?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It is my belief that communication of text-only or even voice-only nature lends itself to dehumanization more easily than face-to-face conversation.

This is not to say that I haven't seen face-to-face debates of certain matters (religion, politics, how to raise one's children) turn into aggressive, physical conflicts, but that the attitudes that lead to these sort of conflicts come much easier when we cannot see, and perhaps smell, each other.

I worked in a call center for several years, and found that people on the phone were more likely to get angry, irritated, or condescending than they were in person. It is only worse in text.

The truly frightening part of this is what happens to children who experience social interaction only though inhuman means such as these. I have met some kids raised on the BBS, and while they might be eloquent, convincing, and confident in text and chat, most of them are troublingly deficient in real world interpersonal relationships. (Most, don't take this personally unless you feel this applies to you.)

If this does cause a problem, what of TV. Do actors correctly portray proper body language in all situations? Do they react to stimulus naturally? I am certain the answer is no to both.

Perhaps those of us raised on television are all distanced from true humanity by being surrounded by false or forced drama while we grew up. Perhaps this is the reason so many people express their lives in such dramatic terms, and resort to dramatic levels of emotion so easily. We live as we were taught and we were taught by television, where drama and inappropriate reactions are scripted in for entertainment value. Perhaps this has not been noticed because it affect some more than others, and the mostly unaffected majority cannot see what is 'wrong' with themselves.

But would this not be true of other media: what of books. Think of the people you knew while growing up who always had a book with them. Would not the artificial situations, expression, and reactions in any form of fiction teach children to dramatize their lives? Do not the bookish, escapist, drama-club-types describe their own lives in excessively melodramatic terms? Surely the answer to both is yes.

But we cannot live a life without fiction, without escape: I certainly won't. Surely it must be a matter of proportion. If a growing mind spends enough time in the real world, they will react to real world stimuli in an appropriate, real world manner.

This is terribly off topic, and even off the off-topic topic, but the words just seemed to line up in my mind, ready for the keyboard. It seems I am inspired. Inspired to make a fool of myself.

[dogscoff]

Aloofi, I find that experience surprising. In my experience, the kind of people who take enough interest in foreign affairs to have an opinion on the israeli/ palestinian issue other than "damned if I know" or "leave 'em all to it" are generally intelligent and informed enough to realise that the average israeli has little to do with any palestinian persecution and is probably even opposed to it. They would certainly be aware of the hypocrisy of automatically labelling all Israelis as discriminatory.

Of course you tend to word your opinions rather more strongly than most...

[Aloofi]

Originally posted by Loser:
This is terribly off topic, and even off the off-topic topic, but the words just seemed to line up in my mind, ready for the keyboard. It seems I am inspired. Inspired to make a fool of myself.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh no, you are absolutely right.
Every time we see in a movie 2 characters talking, we are not seing 2 people talking, but the script writter talking with himself.

We learn by imitation, and in movies the characters with whom we identify are put in situations in which their reactions are teaching us how to react when a similar situation happens in our lives.

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[Aloofi]

Originally posted by dogscoff:
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Of course you tend to word your opinions rather more strongly than most...<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because I don't see a peace movement on the other side of the green line, nor the will to create a peacefull co-operation.
I see the Palestinian media poisoning the mind of their youths with anti-israeli/anti-semite propaganda, thus making sure the new generations will not want to live in peace.
I see the Palestinians saying one thing in english, and the exact opposite in Arabic, and I see the western media turning a blind eye to this.
I also see how the western powers are trying to create a Palestinian State without an enforced peace treaty.

I don't even feel like discussing the Middle East peace no more.
Its doomed from the very begining. I have no hope at all. The mistakes from Oslo are being repeated all over again.

I'll tell you what's gonna happen:
1-The western powers are going to force Israel to accept the creation of an hostile Palestinian State 9 km from Tel Aviv and 25 from Haifa.
2- The Palestinians will not see the new state as a diplomatic agreement they are bound to, but as a military victory over Israel.
3- The Palestinians will partially cease their attacks on Israel for 6 years, in which they will arm themselves for the 3rd and final Intifada. I say partially because Hamas will continue their attacks, and Israel will not be able to respond.
4- The Palestinian will start their final intifada around 2009.
5- Israel will respond.
6- The Arabs countries will intervine.
7- Israel will defeat them, or Israel will be destroyed, and the Jewish population will be exterminated, as promised by the Palestinian political and religious leaders.

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[oleg]

mistake

[ May 08, 2003, 18:29: Message edited by: oleg ]

[Loser]

[Edit: courtesy]

[ May 08, 2003, 18:42: Message edited by: Loser ]

[Fyron]

Aloofi:
You need to get out and meet more people. Most people do not think of Israelis as you have painted them.

[ May 08, 2003, 18:54: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Loser]

[Edit: double]

[ May 08, 2003, 18:44: Message edited by: Loser ]

[Loser]

[Edit: Pointless. I need sleep.]

[ May 08, 2003, 18:45: Message edited by: Loser ]

[jimbob]

yah, so Isreali and (the putative) Palestinian states aside...

... I felt like I was pretty even tempered, respectful and moderate in the Iraqi thread(s), but even I took a beating in the "Ratings". Oh well, I guess all that really matters is that I had agreed with certain individuals opinions, and how I presented myself evidently was secondary.

It's interesting to note that nearly everyone who participated in that thread lost considerable "votes". I guess if someone's to have an opinion they either take the hit, or turn off their rating.

[primitive]

Wow, 4 deleted Posts. Did I miss much ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Aloofi:
The gun is still in there somewhere but I'm not gonna bother with checking out 80+ pages to find it. It was not the gun itself, but our little conversation afterwards and the fact you ignored my request to remove it that p.. me off. BTW; The whole little incident was before you flagged your Israeli orgins (still Saroman, living "anywhere but Europe" IIRC), so you can't blame it on me beeing anti Israeli.

Anyway; Its ancient history now and I have had my little rant, so you won't hear more of this from me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Jimbob:
I remember Your Posts in the Iraqi-thread as very thoughtfull and nicely presented, even though I dissagreed with many. Why someone would give a low rating based on those Posts are beyond me.

[Xaren Hypr]

Whoa, is the subject Ratings or Rantings.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[jimbob]

well thanks Primitive, that makes me feel somewhat better about it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Grandpa Kim: I went and looked at my Ratings of others, and you know, of 15 Ratings, 13 are 5 stars, and absolutely none are 1 star. I too think that the vast majority of the people at this forum are fantastic people, and have offered a lot to this community. I'd rather "reward" this than "punish" anyone. I've been on plenty of chat Boards, forums, etc (as I'm sure many of us have) and quite honestly have never seen such a good community. Honest.

That said, I don't think I'll be posting over in "Iraq..." again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[mottlee]

I see a LOCK coming http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Slynky]

Originally posted by primitive:
Great, A thread that have turned into Aloofi-bashing. I want a piece of that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Aloofi:
When you put that picture of a gun with a smiley beside it in the Iraq thread, you proved once and for all to be an insensitive b...
I asked you to remove it, which you didn't, so it can not be just a slip of mind.

If it still was possible I would have rated you a 1, not because of your opinions, but because of your attitude.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, to clarify, it never was intended to be an "Aloofi-bashing thread". I was only responding to a remark he made about his rating becoming lower after he voiced comments about the "war". I just wanted him to understand that, given the exchange I had seen between him and "Greg", there could be more reasons his rating was lowered.

And that is all.