SE4 in higher resolutions + OT: floppy disks [Archive]

tbontob

May 25th, 2003, 02:34 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
For 9x/me, just make a batch file with the following

:: Set 8 bit colour on 800x600 display
rundll deskcp16.dll,QUICKRES_RUNDLLENTRY 800x600x8

:: Set 16 bit colour on 800x600 display
rundll deskcp16.dll,QUICKRES_RUNDLLENTRY 800x600x16

:: Set 24 bit colour on 1024x768 display
rundll deskcp16.dll,QUICKRES_RUNDLLENTRY 1024x768x24

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinME/Q_20586705.html#8342037[/QUO TE]

Batch Files http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Can someone explain this to me?

And where do I put them and how do they work?

On the Mac it was a simple matter to change resolutions and colors...just go into the control panel. Couple of seconds and done. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ruatha

May 25th, 2003, 06:03 PM

A batch file is a text file that ends with .bat

i e SpaceEmpires.bat

you can write it in notepad or whatever text editor you wish to use (Word, Edit etc)

In the text file you just write the MS-Dos commands you want to be executed. Anything you can write at the dos prompt in a Dos window works in a batch file (+ some more).
So for a file that changes resolution for space empires 4, and runs the game and resets the resolution when you are finished (You must activate the dos window and press a button, I'm not sure if you can omitt the pause line as I can't try it here, but you might).
Try something like this:

rundll deskcp16.dll,QUICKRES_RUNDLLENTRY 1024x768x24

Space Empires 4 Gold.Exe

pause

rundll deskcp16.dll,QUICKRES_RUNDLLENTRY 1200x1024x24

Save it as sp4.bat and put it in the space empires directory, you can then make a shortcut to it and put on your desktop or in the start menu.
You can right click on the batch file and choose the option to close window on exit.

I'm not sure what the SE4 executable is called but write the name of it instead of what I've called it.
Neither am I sure that the Last line actually sets the resolution right as I haven't tried it (Am at work now).
But I guess you'll get the general idea.

On the PC it's a simple matter to change resolutions and colors...just go into the control panel. Couple of seconds and done.
Or right click on the desktop and choose properties, or in the display properties choose to have a display resolutions icon in the tray bar, so you can right click there and change resolution (Depends on grahic card).

[ May 25, 2003, 17:18: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

Phoenix-D

May 25th, 2003, 11:31 PM

"On the Mac it was a simple matter to change resolutions and colors...just go into the control panel. Couple of seconds and done"

It is in the PC too. Batch files are for those extra-lazy people who don't mind tweaking (oxymoron?)

Fyron

May 25th, 2003, 11:51 PM

On the Mac it was a simple matter to change resolutions and colors...just go into the control panel. Couple of seconds and done. There is no feature of Macs that is simple where the Windows Version is difficult.

[ May 25, 2003, 22:51: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

oleg

May 26th, 2003, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> On the Mac it was a simple matter to change resolutions and colors...just go into the control panel. Couple of seconds and done. There is no feature of Macs that is simple where the Windows Version is difficult.<hr /></blockquote>How about inserting a floppy ? On Mac it will make a pleasant sound and show itself on desktop. With Windows - nothing happenes. You must click "my computer" or something.

Ed Kolis

May 26th, 2003, 01:30 AM

"My computer or something"... Gee, you must be new to PC's... you're not playing SE4 on a Windows emulator are you? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Fyron

May 26th, 2003, 04:38 AM

Oleg, make a shortcut on the desktop to the floppy drive. You get that same effect, but minus the obviously redundant (and therefore annoying) sound. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif You know you just put a floppy in, why does it have to make a sound?

Krsqk

May 26th, 2003, 06:14 AM

I'd prefer it not make a sound--I used to have a computer with a 3.5" drive that sounded like a paper shredder in action. Occasionally, it did return the disks in usable form. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Maybe I should have removed the carcass of the first disk before trying to put the second one in...

Fyron

May 26th, 2003, 11:30 AM

LOL! That's not the sound we were talking about. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

tbontob

May 26th, 2003, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
"On the Mac it was a simple matter to change resolutions and colors...just go into the control panel. Couple of seconds and done"

It is in the PC too. Batch files are for those extra-lazy people who don't mind tweaking (oxymoron?)LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif OK.

About Windows, everyone knows it is just a pale immitatator of the older Versions of the Mac OS.

(tbontob knows he is waving a red flag to Fyron, but does it anyways. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

But joking aside... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

On the topic of floppies, the mac would automatically put an icon of the floppy (and other drives) in the upper right corner with the name of the particular floppy. It would also give the name of the floppy, so at a glance you could confirm whether you had the right floppy in the drive.

It would do this for other drives, CD-Rom's etc.

Kinda nice to have all your drives grouped together on the desktop. The Trash would also be there which made it easier to find. I had it at the bottom of all the drives so it only took a split second to trash something.

If you want to eject the floppy you can do it from the desktop by putting the floppy into the trash. Easier than fumbling around for that little button on the floppy drive.

Also on shutdown, the floppy automatically ejects. I don't know how many times my PC stalled on startup because I had a floppy in the floppy drive.

More to the point, I can't count the number of times I was in a real hurry, started up the computer, ran away to do a chore, come back a few minutes later and Aaarrrrrrhhhhhhhhh, it was hung up on the floppy in the drive. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

Can the stock PC/Windows imitate the Mac on this?

And in the older Versions of OS, maybe even older than OS7 in 1991, you could set it to automatically give the sizes of folders. Twelve years later XP, still cannot automatically give me size of the folders as there isn't an option for it in View/Choose Details.

[ May 26, 2003, 16:35: Message edited by: tbontob ]

Fyron

May 26th, 2003, 09:50 PM

Mac is a copy of Windows, Windows is a copy of Mac. Each company stole all the good innovations the other had done from each other (and now Linux does the same, while maintaining all that obselete OS junk from the 50-70s http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ).

Make links on the desktop to the floppy and cd drives, and you get the exact same effects. The Recycle bin IS on the windows desktop. It is very hard to get rid of. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

If you want to eject the floppy you can do it from the desktop by putting the floppy into the trash. Easier than fumbling around for that little button on the floppy drive. Fumbling around? It is a big button, not at all hard to press. With CD drives at least, you can right click on the drive icon and hit "eject", which requires less work than dragging it all the way to the trash can. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

And in the older Versions of OS, maybe even older than OS7 in 1991, you could set it to automatically give the sizes of folders. Twelve years later XP, still cannot automatically give me size of the folders as there isn't an option for it in View/Choose Details. Actually, win 95/nt and up all have this functionality directly. 3.x had it, but it was not as easy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Use "detail" view instead of the other views, and you get lots of info. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Hover the mouse over a folder, and you get a tool tip showing folder size and such.

[ May 26, 2003, 21:02: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

tesco samoa

May 26th, 2003, 10:00 PM

do it once ok.

do it twice... ok

do it three times... hmmm there must be a better way of doing this

do it four times.... automate it.

MAC / MS

Bah

DEC....

That is where it was at. They be puttin a CAP in that OS CRAP. Chill http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

oleg

May 26th, 2003, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by Ed Kolis:
"My computer or something"... Gee, you must be new to PC's... you're not playing SE4 on a Windows emulator are you? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Oh, dear. How was I mistaken assuming everybody around know the meaning of "sarcasm". That should teach me right.

Suicide Junkie

May 27th, 2003, 01:58 AM

Well, you were mistaken about people recognizing sarcasm without a smiley to indicate tone of voice http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

tbontob

May 27th, 2003, 04:46 AM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Mac is a copy of Windows, Windows is a copy of Mac. Each company stole all the good innovations the other had done from each other (and now Linux does the same, while maintaining all that obselete OS junk from the 50-70s .

Make links on the desktop to the floppy and cd drives, and you get the exact same effects. The Recycle bin IS on the windows desktop. It is very hard to get rid of.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> If you want to eject the floppy you can do it from the desktop by putting the floppy into the trash. Easier than fumbling around for that little button on the floppy drive. Fumbling around? It is a big button, not at all hard to press. With CD drives at least, you can right click on the drive icon and hit "eject", which requires less work than dragging it all the way to the trash can.

And in the older Versions of OS, maybe even older than OS7 in 1991, you could set it to automatically give the sizes of folders. Twelve years later XP, still cannot automatically give me size of the folders as there isn't an option for it in View/Choose Details. Actually, win 95/nt and up all have this functionality directly. 3.x had it, but it was not as easy.
Use "detail" view instead of the other views, and you get lots of info. Hover the mouse over a folder, and you get a tool tip showing folder size and such.<hr /></blockquote>Yeh, but it is common knowledge that Windows stole far more than it gave. So dismissing it as stealing from each other will not make it go away. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Sure I can make links and I do. But if Windows were smart, they would steal this too, so we wouldn't have to. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Don't want to get rid of the Recycle Bin. Would just like to have it on the bottom right hand corner like we can with the Mac trashcan. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

The 3/8 inch by 1/8 inch button is big? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I would hate to know what your conception of huge is. Again, fumbling around to find that button is a pain. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

And about folder sizes. It is great to have the folder sizes listed with the files sizes. Maybe you have a lot of time to hover the mouse over [Edit: the folder to get the folder size], but for me I prefer just having it there right in front of me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

But I noticed you avoided my biggest gripe. The fact that the PC/windows does not automatically eject the floppy on shutdown. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ May 27, 2003, 03:51: Message edited by: tbontob ]

PvK

May 27th, 2003, 05:11 AM

My greatest annoyance with Windows and floppy disks is that after one removes the floppy disk, Windows tends to grind itself to a halt while it checks to see if the disk is still around, at annoying and often irrelevant times.

My greatest annoyance with Macs and floppy disks (or CDs) is that the machine tends to lock the disk inside itself, with no physical eject button available, requiring working software/hardware/power/delay to get the disk back from the thing.

Linux has it's own annoyances with disks, of requiring the user to "mount" the disk in software.

Once, again, my Atari 8-bit and ST computers win the contest of annoyance, having none of those problems.

PvK

tbontob

May 27th, 2003, 05:22 AM

PvK, I hear you about the Mac locking the floppy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

It bugged me too, until I discovered it only does that when you have loaded something from the floppy. Resaving the open file to the floppy or closing the file, releases the floppy.

But yes, it was irritating at times when you are working on a multitude of files and then having to figure out which file came from the floppy.

tbontob

May 27th, 2003, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by tbontob:
PvK, I hear you about the Mac locking the floppy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

It bugged me too, until I discovered it only does that when you have loaded something from the floppy. Resaving the open file to the floppy or closing the file, releases the floppy.

But yes, it was irritating at times when you are working on a multitude of files and then having to figure out which file came from the floppy.EDIT: Yeh, and my 1981 Apple II+ had none of these problems either. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

RE-EDIT: Must be getting tired when I quote myself rather than edit my comments. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ May 27, 2003, 04:31: Message edited by: tbontob ]

Kamog

May 27th, 2003, 05:50 AM

Speaking of Macs, is there a way to read a Macintosh-formatted 3.5" floppy disk on a PC? I have some old Mac floppies with backups of documents that I created when I still had my Mac. When my house got broken into, they stole my Mac (along with a bunch of other stuff). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif I now have a PC running Windows and I can't read my old Mac floppies. Is there a way to read the files without having to buy another Mac?

Krsqk

May 27th, 2003, 06:14 AM

If you want to eject the floppy you can do it from the desktop by putting the floppy into the trash.I usually end my floppy experiences by wanting to put them into the trash. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif You could drag the My Computer floppy icon to the trash, but I don't think it'd have the desired result. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Of course, we could ask MS to make a Windows keyboard with an Apple key, too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

narf poit chez BOOM

May 27th, 2003, 06:59 AM

try looking under emulater. there are some hardware stuff/sulutions, although i havn't looked at stuff for mac and what i have seen is convoluted - one routes through the printer port!

tbontob

May 27th, 2003, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by Krsqk:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> If you want to eject the floppy you can do it from the desktop by putting the floppy into the trash.I usually end my floppy experiences by wanting to put them into the trash. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif You could drag the My Computer floppy icon to the trash, but I don't think it'd have the desired result. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Of course, we could ask MS to make a Windows keyboard with an Apple key, too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>ROFLOL.

I think we have a better chance of MS saying that the Mac OS is a better product than having an Apple Key! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Now before I get trashed myself. Note, I did not say that the Mac OS's are better than Microsoft's. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I was just commenting on the relative probabilities of two events. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Elowan

May 27th, 2003, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by Kamog:
Speaking of Macs, is there a way to read a Macintosh-formatted 3.5" floppy disk on a PC? I have some old Mac floppies with backups of documents that I created when I still had my Mac. When my house got broken into, they stole my Mac (along with a bunch of other stuff). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif I now have a PC running Windows and I can't read my old Mac floppies. Is there a way to read the files without having to buy another Mac?There's an app available called - strangely enough - Mac2PC that does that.

Fyron

May 27th, 2003, 06:51 PM

The 3/8 inch by 1/8 inch button is big? I would hate to know what your conception of huge is. Again, fumbling around to find that button is a pain. Only to you. It is impossible to miss it, as it clearly stands out on any computer case I have ever seen.

But I noticed you avoided my biggest gripe. The fact that the PC/windows does not automatically eject the floppy on shutdown. Ever heard of DOS? Every Version of windows except for XP has maintained DOS compatibility, and in DOS, you often do not want to eject the floppy upon shutting down, as you will then have to stick it back in when you boot up again (boot disks and all).

Loser

May 27th, 2003, 07:02 PM

Ringworlds turn into Creation vs. Evolution, Screen Area turns into Mac vs. PC. Is this your doing Fyron or are you just along for the ride?

You know, if you spell his name backwards you get Noryf. Very significant.

Fyron

May 27th, 2003, 08:12 PM

Ringworlds turned into a big misunderstanding of evolution and such, yes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

And there is no "mac vs. pc" going on here, I was just clearing up Tbontob's confusion about Windows. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

No it is not my doing.

What is so significant about Noryf?

[ May 27, 2003, 19:13: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

tesco samoa

May 27th, 2003, 09:53 PM

Floopy I have used that about 2 times in the Last 3 years.

The Bios has that set up to check after hardrive then CDrom drives.

We do not need the Floopy anymore.

Bootloaders work fantatic off CD's

Loser

May 27th, 2003, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
What is so significant about Noryf?You won't keep them from seeing it by pretending it's not there.

tbontob

May 27th, 2003, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />The 3/8 inch by 1/8 inch button is big? I would hate to know what your conception of huge is. Again, fumbling around to find that button is a pain. Only to you. It is impossible to miss it, as it clearly stands out on any computer case I have ever seen.

But I noticed you avoided my biggest gripe. The fact that the PC/windows does not automatically eject the floppy on shutdown. Ever heard of DOS? Every Version of windows except for XP has maintained DOS compatibility, and in DOS, you often do not want to eject the floppy upon shutting down, as you will then have to stick it back in when you boot up again (boot disks and all).<hr /></blockquote>No Fyron, it is a pain to anybody like me who may find themselves in similiar circumstances. But of course, you would never think of asking what those circumstances are. So, you are wrong when you say it is "Only to you." And yes, of course it is impossible to miss...after fumbling about. But if I had a choice 1) wasting time by fumbling about for it and 2) not wasting time at all, I prefer not wasting time.

Yes, I have heard of DOS. But maybe you haven't heard that DOS is on the way out. So tell me, what percentage of PC Users do you think are consistently (as opposed to "occasionally") using a DOS floppy to boot their newer computer?

Phoenix-D

May 27th, 2003, 10:21 PM

"We do not need the Floopy anymore."

Wrong. It, for all its slowness, is easier, quicker, and more reliable than CD-RWs for transfering small files. I use it all the time (and vastly prefer the small PC mounted button to any software solution)

Ruatha

May 27th, 2003, 11:24 PM

Why can't we have the best of both worlds? A button to push and the possibility to eject it from software.
It works on the Mac so it shouldn't be impossible to make it so on the PC aswell. (Exchanging the drives ofcourse aswell).
Alas, more and more new PC's comes without the floppy altogheter....

I must say that i like that the PC can eject the CD despite the fact that there is a eject button on the drive, I use both methods, the one that suits at the particular moment.

Hmm, Noryf, never thought of that, my eyes are open now !! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[ May 27, 2003, 22:24: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

tesco samoa

May 27th, 2003, 11:44 PM

P-D I hope your not using a Floopy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Wrong. It, for all its slowness, is easier, quicker, and more reliable than CD-RWs for transfering small files. I use it all the time (and vastly prefer the small PC mounted button to any software solution)

Hmm... I use lan, or i-red. or cdrw or usb.

bootloader try grub... very nice...

and what is this small pc mounted button you speak of. Don't think I know that one.

tbontob

May 27th, 2003, 11:45 PM

LOL

Ruatha, I agree. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Phoenix-D

May 27th, 2003, 11:49 PM

Hmm... I use lan, or i-red. or cdrw or usb.

bootloader try grub... very nice...

and what is this small pc mounted button you speak of. Don't think I know that one

I'd just use the Windows disc for a boot disc- except for some reason the thing doesn't include the format comand. Very screwy.

The button is the one sticking out of the front of the floppy drive. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

lan, i-whatever, cd-rw and usb all have various issues floppies don't. Mainly, usb and lan only works if you can connect the computers, and CD-RW is again too slow and expensive to bother with for small files.

Fyron

May 28th, 2003, 12:57 AM

No Fyron, it is a pain to anybody like me who may find themselves in similiar circumstances. But of course, you would never think of asking what those circumstances are. So, you are wrong when you say it is "Only to you." And yes, of course it is impossible to miss...after fumbling about. But if I had a choice 1) wasting time by fumbling about for it and 2) not wasting time at all, I prefer not wasting time. This whole rant is completely meaningless. You can not accuse me of ignoring something that you did not bring up. Accusing me of "never think of asking what those circumstances are" is akin to accusing me of never thinking of asking what the price of tea was in Beijing in 1602. As in, it is something of a complete tangential nature to the current discussion that would only ever enter into it if you mentioned it specifically. You never once mentioned anything about special circumstances until this post in which you accuse me of being insensitive, which I have not been in any manner.

Yes, I have heard of DOS. But maybe you haven't heard that DOS is on the way out. So tell me, what percentage of PC Users do you think are consistently (as opposed to "occasionally") using a DOS floppy to boot their newer computer?You entirely missed my point. Windows evolved from DOS, and up until NT/2000/XP (which are all technically lines of the same OS http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ), DOS was a heavy part of Windows. This is why floppy disks function as they do in Windows. Also, I specifically alluded to DOS being on the way out in my post, which you seem to have missed.

tbontob

May 28th, 2003, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />No Fyron, it is a pain to anybody like me who may find themselves in similiar circumstances. But of course, you would never think of asking what those circumstances are. So, you are wrong when you say it is "Only to you." And yes, of course it is impossible to miss...after fumbling about. But if I had a choice 1) wasting time by fumbling about for it and 2) not wasting time at all, I prefer not wasting time. This whole rant is completely meaningless. You can not accuse me of ignoring something that you did not bring up. Accusing me of "never think of asking what those circumstances are" is akin to accusing me of never thinking of asking what the price of tea was in Beijing in 1602. As in, it is something of a complete tangential nature to the current discussion that would only ever enter into it if you mentioned it specifically. You never once mentioned anything about special circumstances until this post in which you accuse me of being insensitive, which I have not been in any manner.

Yes, I have heard of DOS. But maybe you haven't heard that DOS is on the way out. So tell me, what percentage of PC Users do you think are consistently (as opposed to "occasionally") using a DOS floppy to boot their newer computer?You entirely missed my point. Windows evolved from DOS, and up until NT/2000/XP (which are all technically lines of the same OS http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ), DOS was a heavy part of Windows. This is why floppy disks function as they do in Windows. Also, I specifically alluded to DOS being on the way out in my post, which you seem to have missed.<hr /></blockquote>I think it is patently obvious that you are the one doing the ranting.

It is also obvious that one wouldn't fumble unless there were special circumstances. But of course, you missed that.

And maybe you can tell me what the price of tea in Beijing in 1602 has to do with this discussion? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

And finally you did not answer my question, "What percentage of PC Users do you think are consistently (as opposed to "occasionally") using a DOS floppy to boot their newer computer?"

tesco samoa

May 28th, 2003, 01:29 AM

The high cost of the tea (over $100 per pound)

Man.

I found it.

http://www.geocities.com/lgol27/HistoryTeaPrint.htm

http://rebeccasreads.com/archives/a_thoughts/thoughts_033003.html

http://countrycoffee.com/tea_facts.htm

Perhaps Tea has played a great role in the development of OS and floppy or floopy
Alan Shugart was a Tea drinker.

[ May 28, 2003, 00:30: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

tesco samoa

May 28th, 2003, 01:32 AM

wow who ever posted that Last post sure is a nerd!!!!!!

Suicide Junkie

May 28th, 2003, 01:45 AM

Don't want to get rid of the Recycle Bin. Would just like to have it on the bottom right hand corner like we can with the Mac trashcan. Have you ever tried dragging the icon down there?

If you've left the automatic spacing on icons, just right click -> arrange icons -> (uncheck) Auto arrange

The 3/8 inch by 1/8 inch button is big? I would hate to know what your conception of huge is. Again, fumbling around to find that button is a pain. If I swipe a hand at the face of my computer case, it is the only thing that sticks out enough to get pressed.
Its a wide as a keyboard key, and your finger has plenty of vertical coverage. If your aim is really bad, just use your thumb. The disk should pop right out into your hand (since your hand is there pushing the button)

Having a physical button to override anything the computer wants to do helps too.
"Oopsie, did I just press 'delete all'?"
*Smack* *pop*
*grind grind grind*
*grind grind grind*
"Error: Can't delete files!"

[ May 27, 2003, 12:50: Message edited by: Suicide Junkie ]

narf poit chez BOOM

May 28th, 2003, 09:10 AM

your arguing about a floppy disk button!
think about it.

Fyron

May 28th, 2003, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
wow who ever posted that Last post sure is a nerd!!!!!!I'd say! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

tbontob:
I think it is patently obvious that you are the one doing the ranting. Whatever. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

It is also obvious that one wouldn't fumble unless there were special circumstances. But of course, you missed that. Please reread my Last post. That was covered in it in no uncertain terms.

And maybe you can tell me what the price of tea in Beijing in 1602 has to do with this discussion? Please reread my Last post. It is explained in there.

And finally you did not answer my question, "What percentage of PC Users do you think are consistently (as opposed to "occasionally") using a DOS floppy to boot their newer computer?" Your question is irrelevant, especially given the contents of my Last post. You are thinking I was arguing that floppies are widely used for normal booting procedures, which I most certainly was not. I was merely explaining why Windows does not eject floppies upon shutting down. I was clear in my Posts about this.

dogscoff

May 28th, 2003, 10:32 AM

These days I use a 64meg USB slug for all my small-medium file transfers. Floppies are handy for (very) small files when I come across a pc that can't handle USB (ie win95, most win98) and if LAN/internet is unavailable then I whip out the trusty old serial cable and fire up hyperterminal for files over 1.44 meg.

Floppy disks are still good as throwing stars though, and the rabbit enjoys nibbling on them.

Of course, imho all operating systems should be modelled on amigados and all floppy drives should go "GRR-RR-RRR... Gronk, gronk gronk" like my old A500 used to. Ah, those were the days, directories called "directories" and not "folders", and with a proper "/" in your directory paths too, not a stupid MS "\". playing Llamatron and Alien Breed until the wee hours, editting startup-sequences in Memacs, saving .iff files from deluxe paint and .mods from octamed. Small children playing football in the park, jumpers for goalPosts...

*dogscoff drifts off nostalgically, gronking quietly to himself...

[ May 28, 2003, 09:39: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

Fyron

May 28th, 2003, 10:35 AM

What is wrong with MS differentiating between local directories and non-local directories by using both slashes? Seems like a good innovation to me...

narf poit chez BOOM

May 28th, 2003, 10:39 AM

llamatron? llamasoft! right here!
http://www.llamasoft.co.uk/

tbontob

May 28th, 2003, 10:53 AM

It is also obvious that one wouldn't fumble unless there were special circumstances. But of course, you missed that.
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Please reread my Last post. That was covered in it in no uncertain terms.<hr /></blockquote>I've noticed that whenever you are on the losing end of a debate, you say refer to a previous post. OK, I accept your concession. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

And maybe you can tell me what the price of tea in Beijing in 1602 has to do with this discussion?

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Please reread my Last post. It is explained in there.<hr /></blockquote>Again! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Another evasion and avoidance of the issue. Two for three. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

And finally you did not answer my question, "What percentage of PC Users do you think are consistently (as opposed to "occasionally") using a DOS floppy to boot their newer computer?"
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Your question is irrelevant, especially given the contents of my Last post. You are thinking I was arguing that floppies are widely used for normal booting procedures, which I most certainly was not. I was merely explaining why Windows does not eject floppies upon shutting down. I was clear in my Posts about this.<hr /></blockquote>So, now you know what I am thinking about. Really. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif And what is the source of this arcane knowledge? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Are you claiming to be psychic?

What you did say was and I quote your words:

Ever heard of DOS? Every Version of windows except for XP has maintained DOS compatibility, and in DOS, you often do not want to eject the floppy upon shutting down, as you will then have to stick it back in when you boot up again (boot disks and all).So, it was you who used the words �and in DOS, you often do not want to eject the floppy upon shutting down, as you will then have to stick it back in when you boot up again (boot disks and all).

I just wanted to know what your conception of "often" was. Your words I may add, not mine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Did you say not say these words or are you going to avoid the issue like all the others and say read your other Posts?

For that will make it three out of three. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ May 28, 2003, 10:17: Message edited by: tbontob ]

dogscoff

May 28th, 2003, 10:55 AM

My God Narf, that's it! That's the man, Jeff Minter... Creator of about the most addictive, psychedelic game EVER- LLamatron 2112. The only game that could make not only both your hands bleed but your eyes as well. I loved that game, but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a pc Version available for download. I guess I could get me an amiga emulator but I'm way too lazy for that.

Anyway, check out the llinks page on that site narf just posted, it's very funny...

EDIT: Found it! http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/llamatron.shtml

Remember, play it with the stereo turned up and the lights turned out, in dual joystick mode if possible. For best effect your face should be no more than 8 inches from your monitor. Not recommended for anyone prone to stroboscopic fits/ seizures.

[ May 28, 2003, 10:34: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

Ruatha

May 28th, 2003, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
wow who ever posted that Last post sure is a nerd!!!!!!Yep sure is.
Have you ever met him? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

tbontob

May 28th, 2003, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Ruatha:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tesco samoa:
wow who ever posted that Last post sure is a nerd!!!!!!Yep sure is.
Have you ever met him? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <hr /></blockquote>Nope. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

But I would like to if only to hear his "Arrrrgggghhhhhh"! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

tesco samoa

May 28th, 2003, 06:01 PM

no. but I have drank with him.

tbontob

May 28th, 2003, 06:39 PM

LOL

And do you have extensive conversations with him? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

PvK

May 28th, 2003, 09:42 PM

Yep! Llamatron is great! There _is_ a Windohs Version, but it's not really as good as the Atari ST or Amiga Versions.

PvK

Originally posted by dogscoff:
My God Narf, that's it! That's the man, Jeff Minter... Creator of about the most addictive, psychedelic game EVER- LLamatron 2112. The only game that could make not only both your hands bleed but your eyes as well. I loved that game, but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a pc Version available for download. I guess I could get me an amiga emulator but I'm way too lazy for that.

Anyway, check out the llinks page on that site narf just posted, it's very funny...

EDIT: Found it! http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/llamatron.shtml

Remember, play it with the stereo turned up and the lights turned out, in dual joystick mode if possible. For best effect your face should be no more than 8 inches from your monitor. Not recommended for anyone prone to stroboscopic fits/ seizures.