Hey, another question

[Narrew]

I don't know how to test this, so I will ask. When I remote mine in my solo games, I get the second starbase and load it up, something like 8 mineral and 2 each of Org and Rad. I can upgrade this, which is nice. But I wonder, it says you can only have 1 object mining per sector, but Sats group, so does that mean I can have 100 sats all mining?

Which is used the most? Starbase or sats?

[Baron Grazic]

Personally I would go for the Sats, because they don't use maintenance, and you could pick them up at a later stage and move them.

[Fyron]

You can only have one Ship or Base mining in a sector, period. Or, you can have sats. With satellites, you can only have 3 operate, one mining each type of resource. Extra satellites will not produce any more resources. Having a base and satellites will result in either the base or the satellites mining, depending on which was built first and some random absurdity. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Ie: it sometimes has the first built object mine, other times has the Last built one mine. I noticed this when replacing Space Stations with Battlestations in Proportions games.

[Narrew]

so you can't have 100 sats all mining? just want to clarify is all.

[Taera]

only one spatial vessel can mine one particular square on the map, yes.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

mining starbases? bigger, -50% on combat?

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Taera:
only one spatial vessel can mine one particular square on the map, yes.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not quite true. You can have 3 sites mining a sector, as long as they have different types of mining components.

[Narrew]

well, then I will stick with my Battle stations then. 100 sats all working together would be a bit excessive, but oh well.

[mottlee]

Your miners will not offset the maint of a Starbase (or Battle Station)...best to go with sats and one of each in a sector..no maint and as said can be moved when the resorces dry up

[ May 28, 2003, 19:21: Message edited by: mottlee ]

[Narrew]

I am playing a solo game with the TDM + FQM mod. As an example of an asteroid is 250%, 230%, 225%. I have a Base station above it with 10 mineral, and 2 each org and rad (lvl 3 extractors). I mine 20kt, 3792, 3568, maint is 3125, 75, 337. So I am getting a large surplus of minerals.

I do remember reading that some mods have been fixed (the mining rate), just don't know if what I see is the norm or not.

[Suicide Junkie]

Just imagine the kind of resources you could be pulling in if you formed that into a planet and filled it with monoliths!

No maintenance, and you don't deplete the value each turn.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Me watches sadly as the poor, defenseless asteroids are strip mined by the heartless machinery of the starbase http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ May 28, 2003, 20:05: Message edited by: Suicide Junkie ]

[Narrew]

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
No maintenance, and you don't deplete the value each turn.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Me watches sadly as the poor, defenseless asteroids are strip mined by the heartless machinery of the starbase http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Is that in a Finite game? or do the asteroids lower the percentage because of mining? If that is the case, then making planets out of them would be an option, if I can wait that long.

Sorry if I seem slow http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Phoenix-D]

Asteroids do deplete in value when you mine them, even in Infinite games. I always thought that was kind of silly. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Narrew]

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
Asteroids do deplete in value when you mine them, even in Infinite games. I always thought that was kind of silly. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ARRRGHHHH!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif well, that puts a serious cramp in my style http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif I wanted to be a true capitalist, I wanted to exploit them asteroids for everything I could squeeze out of them, and NOW I find that the GODs play an evil trick on me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

...slinks away looking for something to exploit

[PvK]

Narrew, it seems to me you succeeded in being a "true capitalist" (exploitationist), wanting to loot no matter what the consequences.

PvK

[Narrew]

Originally posted by PvK:
Narrew, it seems to me you succeeded in being a "true capitalist" (exploitationist), wanting to loot no matter what the consequences.
PvK<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">HAHA, I don't know if that is a compliment or not. If not, I bet you would consider it explotion when I change all my planet atmospheres to Methane since that is what I breath http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif muhahaha, if I could get a remote atsmophere converter, I would make a fleet of them and change the universe to my needs. Better buy stocks in Dome manufacturing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif here I come....

[ May 28, 2003, 20:34: Message edited by: Narrew ]

[Ares]

Originally posted by Narrew:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
Asteroids do deplete in value when you mine them, even in Infinite games. I always thought that was kind of silly. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ARRRGHHHH!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif well, that puts a serious cramp in my style http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif I wanted to be a true capitalist, I wanted to exploit them asteroids for everything I could squeeze out of them, and NOW I find that the GODs play an evil trick on me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You CAN disable that in Settings.txt (I do). Not sure if you can do it mid-game though. Can someone back me up on that?

[Fyron]

You should be able to see the effects of changing that setting mid-game as it has nothing to do with the map itself.

[ May 28, 2003, 23:12: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Narrew]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
You should be able to see the effects of changing that setting mid-game as it has nothing to do with the map itself.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">YEAAA, back to exploiting for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Actually I wont change the settings, so I don't get used to something that is not the norm in PBW games.

[Fyron]

Remote mining is not very useful in stock se4 (the PBW norm), actually. It is just so easy to start building planets within the first 110 turns or so. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[deccan]

Just to clarify:

With Proportions mod and in infinite resource games, remote mining doesn't deplete value right?

[Fyron]

Yes, it does deplete the resource values.

[PvK]

In Proportions Versions 2.5.3 or higher, remote mining does not reduce resource values.

In Proportions Versions 2.5.2.2 or lower, remote mining does reduce resource values.

That's with the recommended default "unlimited resources" setting.

PvK

[Fyron]

Tricky PvK... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif