Did you know this was possible?

[DavidG]

That you can have a ship fly through a system and yet it is still unexplored? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

Using the trick I saw in another thread wereby if you enter an unexplored system you can click a random sector and then you can continue to move into the system instead of stopping at the warp.
Well if that sector you pick happens to be a another warp point you fly through the sector into the next without seeing it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

lol

[Baron Munchausen]

There's a similar bug with race 'contact'. If you hide in a sight-obscuring storm (and get there while cloaked or before any other race is present) you can attack any 'unknown' race from within it and it will not trigger 'first contact'! They will not even know you exist as long as you return to the storm or recloak before the turn is over. The 'recognition' check only occurs with warp points, it seems. I've used this to keep neutrals and even rival AI empires from growing too fast... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ June 03, 2003, 03:47: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

[trooper]

Funny, but rather useless, indeed.
Have you ever visited a place for the first time with your eyes closed and saying : "No, I don't wanna know anything about this place, I'll keep my eyes closed until I'm out ! looks like an insane behaviour, doesn't it ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Aloofi]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Lol, blind explorers at work. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[oleg]

Originally posted by trooper:
Funny, but rather useless, indeed.
Have you ever visited a place for the first time with your eyes closed and saying : "No, I don't wanna know anything about this place, I'll keep my eyes closed until I'm out ! looks like an insane behaviour, doesn't it ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I did. Two weeks ago. It was a necessarily visit to dantist. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Stone Mill]

Funny... That explains it. I did have this happen to me, but I pretty much ignored it. Thought something funky happened?!?

[Narrew]

HEY!! Those Captains that are vision challenged need a job also! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by DavidG:
That you can have a ship fly through a system and yet it is still unexplored? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

Using the trick I saw in another thread wereby if you enter an unexplored system you can click a random sector and then you can continue to move into the system instead of stopping at the warp.
Well if that sector you pick happens to be a another warp point you fly through the sector into the next without seeing it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Do you mean it warped wiothout having been ordered to warp?
I thought if you happened to aim at a warppoint it would go to that location and wait there.

I have done this plenty o ftimes and never accidently warped.

[Lisif Deoral]

I suppose it happened in a simmove game...
what if you play the replay clip? does the system get explored (visible) and then becomes unknown again when the ship warps out?

[Ruatha]

It has never happened to me and I only play simultaneous.

[oleg]

Originally posted by Ruatha:
It has never happened to me and I only play simultaneous.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because, probably, you just issue "warp" command when entering an unexpored system. The phenomena in question occurs only whem you order warp and then move to some sector in an unexplored system and warp. If it happends , by pure luck, to be a warp point, you zip through.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

from which we can guess that it clears warp orders at the end of the turn.

[DavidG]

Well I kind of assumed my explaination was what happend. I gave an order to warp then clicked a sector in the unkown system. (it was simultaneous) When I got the next turn I was mystified as to what happened to my ship. I evenutally found it at the warp point of the next system. :-)

And no the move replay did not show the system that is still shown unexplored.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

i was talking about the computer process. move, set state to warp, move some more with an unintentional warp, end of turn, clear all warp states.

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by oleg:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ruatha:
It has never happened to me and I only play simultaneous.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because, probably, you just issue "warp" command when entering an unexpored system. The phenomena in question occurs only whem you order warp and then move to some sector in an unexplored system and warp. If it happends , by pure luck, to be a warp point, you zip through.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nope, I never stop at a warp point.

I set it to warp into an unknown system and then points at a location where I (from the system map) belive the next wormhole will be in the unknown system, so that I next turn can aim it straight.
(Done this 100+ times)

Are you sure you pressed Warp and then move, not warp then warp and clicked in the unknown system?
Do you by chance have it set to "exploration order" after it has warped into the unknown system?

[Baron Grazic]

Thanks guys for this trick, I'll try this out next turn on PBW.
Been playing this game for so long, and still learning. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Krsqk]

Do you by chance have it set to "exploration order" after it has warped into the unknown system?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There technically isn't an "explore" order; the Explore button just looks for the nearest unexplored warp point and issues a warp order for it. I find the described behavior very, very odd. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[Ruatha]

Ok, so you can't put in orders:
Warp
Explore
?

Checked, you are quite right! It adds the unknown warmhole in the present system to the order queue.

But you can add "move to" orders into the next unknown system to the queue, and then the next and so on. I don't know if it will warp on though....

[ June 05, 2003, 05:10: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[Lisif Deoral]

Originally posted by DavidG:
And no the move replay did not show the system that is still shown unexplored.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So did the ship disappear after warping in the unexplored system? And it reappeared when it warped out of it? was the second system already known? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[DavidG]

Originally posted by Lisif Deoral:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by DavidG:
And no the move replay did not show the system that is still shown unexplored.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So did the ship disappear after warping in the unexplored system? And it reappeared when it warped out of it? was the second system already known? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yup that is what happened. The second system was unknown at the begining.

In response to another post, yea I guess it is possible I clicked warp and then accidentaly chose the warp button when I clicked in the unknown system.

[dogscoff]

Checked, you are quite right! It adds the unknown warmhole in the present system to the order queue.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yep, just the same as if you stack up orders to
move to {other side of galaxy}
resupply at nearest

it will fly all the way across the galaxy, then fly all the way back to whatever resupply depot happened to be nearest when&where the order was issued. I'd be much happier with a system that only resolved the "nearest" part when it came to execute the order.

[Lisif Deoral]

Did you know that in this way you can get the names of unexplored systems? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
Just order a ship to move anywhere in an unexplored sys (doesn't work with "warp", AFAIK), then view the ship's orders...

Not very useful to exploit, but...

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by trooper:
Funny, but rather useless, indeed.
Have you ever visited a place for the first time with your eyes closed and saying : "No, I don't wanna know anything about this place, I'll keep my eyes closed until I'm out ! looks like an insane behaviour, doesn't it ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, a hospitol.