who is a winner, if..

[oleg]

if... the winning condion is a "galaxy at peace"
All ? or the mightest empire who forced the global peace by flexing its muscles ?

[Rollo]

nobody wins, all lose. A galaxy at peace is an evil thing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

[Suicide Junkie]

The winner(s) are the players who have survived.
Usually a team of players who have conquered some other team of players.

[Fyron]

I'd have to second Rollo here. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Techincally, the survivors are labeled "winners", but it is a hollow victory (very hollow). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Suicide Junkie]

So, because it was only an allied "victory", you would be saying Canada (or US or Britain or [insert country of choice here]) "lost" after World Wars 1 and 2?
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Fyron]

Keep in mind SE4 is a game, and has no bearing on reality. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Rollo]

And apart from that the world was hardly at peace, even after the world wars (sad but true).

Rollo

[tesco samoa]

hey... canada was involved in a war!!!!!

Who , What , Where , When and sometimes Why ??

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[PvK]

I'm with SJ, more or less. All the remaining empires tie, and the destroyed or subjugated/exiled/smashed ones lose.

However, it'd be more interesting to add some other conditions.

For example, the players should have some other difficult goal(s), but the game only ends after X years at peace. If peace ends the game before anyone has completed their goal, they tie.

If competition is something the players want, then peace ending the game can be a way to force players into a war.

PvK

[Karibu]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
hey... canada was involved in a war!!!!!

Who , What , Where , When and sometimes Why ??

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't you remember a document called the South Park Movie? There was a war between USA and Canada. "Blame Caaanadaaa, blame Caanadaaa..." http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[JLS]

Basically IMHO, a good Peaceful victory is. If a Player obtains a substantial enough Point lead, that results in VICTORY. That was achieved, mostly by Peaceful and/or Defensive Means.

For Example:
A Science Culture: used Stellar Manipulation to achieve many self Created Planets and or Ring - Sphere Worlds to afford an infrastructure that could maintain Large Fleets to defend his or her Empire.

Engineering Culture: Same as some above but to include Planet Engineering with the all the benefits that Planet Atmosphere and Value Improvements may yield.

Merchants Culture: Thru Trade Agreements and his or her own Cunning that has achieved the goal for Victory in a Peaceful and Defensive way.

Workers Culture: Same as Above, but trugh Resourse extraction and his or her own Cunning that has achieved the goal for Victory in a Peaceful and Defensive way.

This may sound like Role Playing, or AI programming, but I also feel it is a Play Style for many strat gaming Players. Not all of us will want to have a total Shot-em-up style game, if possible, however we all can't be Empire Builders and must deal with the:

Warrior, Schemer, Zealot, Renegades not mention the Berserker Style of play, we encounter in our Multiplayer games http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ June 09, 2003, 14:05: Message edited by: JLS ]

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Keep in mind SE4 is a game, and has no bearing on reality. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Huhhhh? What do you mean? I thought my whole reality was SEIV! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Aloofi]

Yeah, SE4 is very realistic.
Or you really think some nice aliens are going to finance an expedition to our system for free?
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[ June 09, 2003, 14:35: Message edited by: Aloofi ]

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
hey... canada was involved in a war!!!!!

Who , What , Where , When and sometimes Why ??

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Were they armed with guns?!?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif