not a SEIV Olympics thread anymore

[Pablo]

There are ~5 Lithuanian players who would like to try a team vs. team game. Anyone interested? What we need is a proper player placement and a neutral GM. The game would probably be set to ALPU as it is summer now and many of us tend to leave for short. Game settings would be discussed later on. First we need to have a team that would play against us. So... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ July 08, 2003, 07:28: Message edited by: Pablo ]

[Gryphin]

I am willing to GM, make map and place people.

[Mark the Merciful]

I can't provide a whole team, but I've never played in a team game, so I'd be interested in joining one to play against you guys.

Mark

[nirtus]

Hy,

The idea is that we, Lithuania players, want play against other countries players. If not, we can play against any team.

[Atrocities]

I'd play for the US Team

[Geckomlis]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
I'd play for the US Team<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Me too.

[Taera]

canadian team! all best players come from canada!!!

(runs from a vegetable hail)

how about three teams? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif im pretty sure you can get 5 players form canada

[narf poit chez BOOM]

*pulls out a hammer, grows to eight feet*

ALRIGHT, WHO THREW THOSE VEGATABLES?

[Taera]

IT WAS HIM!!!!

umm narf, not another thread... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[nirtus]

hy

Canada is best? I don't know.... You have team? When we can start game?

p.s. I don't agree that can play 3 team. wil be 2 teams against 1.

nirtus -LT

[Mathias_Ice]

Sounds like fun to me, sign me up for Team USA, USA, USA!

(Sorry, on the eve of our Independence Day I get a little patriotic.)

Mathias Ice

[Pablo]

Gryphin so you're a GM now and the decision is up to you to choose our opponent and the title for the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
Geo: an idea for another tournament? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Atrocities]

Atrocities for US Team. And if we beat Fyron over the head perhaps he will join. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ July 03, 2003, 14:10: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Gryphin]

I will be happy to assist with choosing the Team USA or Team Cannada but it really should be done within the teams as they need to all work together.
They should also choose the team name.

Note: We need to get this in motion by July 12th as I leave for a week on July13. Of course someone else can set up the game if need be.

[ July 03, 2003, 14:50: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Mark the Merciful]

Well, I can't play in a US team, because I'm from the UK. But, as I was the first challenger to sign up, how about we call it the "Britain and her Colonies" team. I believe we have four so far.

(incoming...)

[Loser]

Originally posted by Mark the Merciful:
how about we call it the "Britain and her Colonies" team.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Whoa ho ho!

Perfect time of year for comments like that!

[Geckomlis]

Originally posted by Mark the Merciful:
Well, I can't play in a US team, because I'm from the UK. But, as I was the first challenger to sign up, how about we call it the "Britain and her Colonies" team. I believe we have four so far.

(incoming...)<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You have struck me speechless. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif (vegetable matter outgoing...)

[Geckomlis]

USA Team:
1. Atrocities
2. geckomlis (Gecko)
3. Mathias_Ice
4.
5.

Looking for two more USA players to join our team!

[nirtus]

Lithuania team:
Pablo
Dreiko
Nirtus
Breakable
BbegemotT
(p.s. Some players can change, or maybe will be more -6 we will se in future, when USA wiil have 5 players.)

One of us team will be leader, for discusing setings. Our team name we declear a litle later.

[Gryphin]

Posted by taera
Canadian team! all best players come from Canada!!! <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Um, this is SEIV not hocky. Maybe there needs to be a USA vs Canada Match

Team Lithuania
Are you up for two separate games? One with Team USA and one with Team Canada? Or perhaps Team UK

[ July 03, 2003, 17:02: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Ragnarok]

I'd be up to joing team USA. Seeing as there is still a couple slots open I think there is room. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif If not that is fine too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Geckomlis]

USA Team:
1. Atrocities
2. geckomlis (Gecko)
3. Mathias_Ice
4. Ragnarok
5.
6.

Looking for two more USA players to join our team!

[ July 03, 2003, 23:14: Message edited by: geckomlis ]

[Gryphin]

nirtus
p.s. Some players can change, or maybe will be more -6 we will se in future <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Are you saying you may be adding another player? A total of 6 players?

[ July 03, 2003, 18:28: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Pablo]

Gryphin yes, there is a possibility of our team of 6 players but no more. Our team name will be 'Lithuanian gang' http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Edit: the start should be in two sides. I mean, 1 team in the east and another team in the west. Suggested game settings probably coming tonight.

[ July 03, 2003, 18:36: Message edited by: Pablo ]

[Gryphin]

Then it looks like Team USA needs one more and one on stand by.
I'd suggest at most a 3 planet start. Maybe just one

[Pablo]

Final points from our side:
Racial points 3000
large map (fqm?)
3 good starting planets
trade/intel/ruins whatever allowed
no AI of course http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Ships/units - 5000
tech cost medium
tech start: low

Edit: of course under discussion and suggestions from our enemy team are welcome http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ July 03, 2003, 18:56: Message edited by: Pablo ]

[Ruatha]

How about a "Team Europe except Lithiuania"?
I'd join that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Mathias_Ice]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Team Lithuania
Are you up for two separate games? One with Team USA and one with Team Canada? Or perhaps Team UK<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Did someone say something about some kind of Olympic style turney?

Mathias Ice

[Pablo]

Ok, more and more of Lithuanians are willing to join but we will keep it to 6 players max (maybe change in the future among ourselves). We could of course create the SE Olympics http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif A nice idea as all the countries would have to learn the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Angeliux]

How far i see not many other countries willing to join this Se Olympics games http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I'l be proud to assist for Lithuania in any team game

[tesco samoa]

Sign me up Team Canada

[Asmala]

SE Olympics, great http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif Now, every Finn please move here... What, nobody is moving http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Gryphin]

I am willing to try to GM the "SE Olimpics" but I'd say the games need to be with Gold and latest patch. I may need help making a "fair" map.

If folks are serious do we want to rename this thread or start a new one?

[TerranC]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Sign me up Team Canada<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If there's going to be a Team Canada in a SE olympic, Sign me up.

[ July 03, 2003, 22:01: Message edited by: TerranC ]

[Erax]

Asmala, my grandparents were Finnish. Does that count ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

No ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Hmmm.... call Karibu then. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ July 03, 2003, 22:15: Message edited by: Erax ]

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Atrocities for US Team. And if we beat Fyron over the head perhaps he will join. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Leave my head alone! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

The only way I would consider joining is if the game used a mod to fix a few of the more glaring problems with SE4 (talismans, intel, racial trait/characteristic cost balancing, etc.). I really have no desire to play any unmodded SE4 anymore...

[geoschmo]

I'll do my part to help Team USA win, by NOT playing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

[Katchoo]

Count me in for Team Canada!

[narf poit chez BOOM]

britain don't have any colonies left. they either rebeled or got thrown out.

[General Woundwort]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
britain don't have any colonies left. they either rebeled or got thrown out.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Last time I checked, they still had the Falklands (or Islas Malvinas to Andres http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ).

BTW, if there are any open slots left, sign me up with the Americanos.

http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung/travesmilies/flaggen1/smilie_flagge13.gif http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung/travesmilies/flaggen1/smilie_flagge13.gif
http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung/travesmilies/flaggen1/smilie_flagge13.gif http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung/travesmilies/flaggen1/smilie_flagge13.gif

[Geckomlis]

USA Team:
1. Atrocities
2. geckomlis (Gecko)
3. Mathias_Ice
4. Ragnarok
5. General Woundwort
6.

Looking for one more USA player to join our team! If we get more, we might be able to expand the game…

[Geckomlis]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
britain don't have any colonies left. they either rebeled or got thrown out.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Let the Commonwealth Nations form a team? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ July 03, 2003, 23:49: Message edited by: geckomlis ]

[Gryphin]

Geo, um, I could probably use some help in laying out some system of who plays who and when. And any other ideas on how to set this up.
I guess an idea of a template of a spread sheet.
I can do the work and stay on top of it.

[ July 03, 2003, 23:55: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Rojero]

I am sure you can need the services of the Wendigo Kingdom
<---inserts data disk to show his abilities

[Geckomlis]

USA Team:
1. Atrocities (Atrocities)
2. geckomlis (Gecko)
3. Mathias_Ice (Mathias Ice)
4. Ragnarok (WarLord Ragnarok)
5. General Woundwort (Woundwort)
6. Rojero (Rojero)

OK, we have six USA players. If we get more, we might be able to expand the game.

[Gryphin]

Shall we call this the
Lithuanian Challenge Match?
Is it too early to be discussing specs?
Do the Challengers have a name for their team?

[nirtus]

hehe USA haven't team? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )) So LT players will play with team which will be first.

USA, Canada craet your team :0

[TerranC]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
britain don't have any colonies left. they either rebeled or got thrown out.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The Anguilla
British Arctic Territory
Cayman Islands
Faroe Islands
Gibraltar
Isle of Man
Monteserrat
Pitcairn
Shetland Islands
British Indian Ocean Territory
Bermuda
British Virgin Islands
Falkland Isles
The Channel Islands - Sark, Guernsey, and Jersey
Niue
Saint Helena Island
and the Turks and Caicos

All colonies (officialy British Dependencies) of Britain.

Edit: Ahh, heck, I'll leave that one in. Just to see if there's a bigger smart-arse than me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Another edit:

So Far for Team Canada:

Me
Tesco
Katchoo
Taera

Come on canadians! We can do better! We shall break the americans just like we did in Hockey! http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/devil.gif

[ July 04, 2003, 00:58: Message edited by: TerranC ]

[primitive]

TerranC
Missing an Ant http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Taera]

an ant?

[TerranC]

Originally posted by geckomlis:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
britain don't have any colonies left. they either rebeled or got thrown out.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Let the Commonwealth Nations form a team? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">if that happens, the SE olympics would Last only 10 seconds. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Baron Grazic]

I'm not sure if their are enough players, or if I have enough time for the SE Olympics, but go "TEAM OZ"

I don't want to hear anyone start picking on the Commonwealth Games. Australia has to win some Gold Medals somehow. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Plus We will be holding the 2006 Commonwealth Games. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Edit - At least Australia didn't get lumped in with the colonies...

[ July 04, 2003, 01:24: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]

[Gryphin]

Rojero,
Was that an offer to help run this?

I'm open to ideas.
Currently I have:
Lithuania team:
Pablo
Dreiko
Nirtus
Breakable
BbegemotT
Angeliux
Team USA
Atrocities (Atrocities)
geckomlis (Gecko)
Mathias_Ice (Mathias Ice)
Ragnarok (WarLord Ragnarok)
General Woundwort (Woundwort)
Rojero (Rojero)

Team Canada:
TerranC
Tesco
Katchoo
Taera

Game Specs
Racial points 3000
large map (fqm?)
3 good starting planets
trade/intel/ruins whatever allowed
no AI of course
Ships/units - 5000
tech cost medium
tech start: low

Any More Ideas?
I'm guessing there is no interest in any part of The Gryphin Convention such as:
No Weapons of Mass Destruction
No Intel
No Mines
?

[ July 04, 2003, 01:32: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Geckomlis]

With such large teams, Intel is quickly going to get ridiculous. I vote for No Intel.

[ July 04, 2003, 01:43: Message edited by: geckomlis ]

[Joachim]

Team Oz!!
There should be more than enough Aussies around for an Australian Team - So Canada - Battle of the (former) colonies?

Count Joachim in For team Oz.

[Stone Mill]

This sounds like an awesome idea!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I'll stay tuned for thoughts on it's organization.

Right now, my time is sort of limited... so I can't commit just yet...

[General Woundwort]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Game Specs
I'm guessing there is no interest in any part of The Gryphin Convention such as:
No Weapons of Mass Destruction
No Intel
No Mines
?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not only are all three of these good ideas, I'd throw in "no colony trading" just to make things interesting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Master Belisarius]

Does exist time for another team?

[General Woundwort]

In honor of the occasion...

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1057284519.gif

[General Woundwort]

Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
Does exist time for another team?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, guys, we can't leave the South American contingent out of this!

[Taera]

No Intel sounds good to me.

How about No Trade? because otherwise the game would not be AS fun (big teams, high-tech would be there in no time)

And my favorite... Can Only Colonize Own Type Of Planet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif which might well replace the No Trading Colony Techs.

Cmon Canadians, i know there are more of you there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Gryphin]

MB, I'm sure we can one way or the other.

[Master Belisarius]

Originally posted by General Woundwort:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
Does exist time for another team?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, guys, we can't leave the South American contingent out of this!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm trying to recruit Erax and Andres... and/or somebody else that would like to play! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Gryphin]

If we can only get 3 players for you I guess:
1) Give two races each, hm..
2) Reduce the number of players you face
3) Players from an other area, OZ maybe?

[ July 04, 2003, 03:33: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Loser]

Originally posted by TerranC:
Isle of Man<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You can count that one? That's like New York calling Long Island a Dependancy.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Geo, um, I could probably use some help in laying out some system of who plays who and when. And any other ideas on how to set this up.
I guess an idea of a template of a spread sheet.
I can do the work and stay on top of it.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My suggestion is some kind of combination of team and solo games. For example with six players per team you could have three team games with two man teams and six solo games. Each player would only have to play two games, so it wouldn't be a tremendous strain. Then some point system to determine who wins the medals.

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

Another option, if you can't get enough players for the other national teams would be to have a format similer to the Ryder cup in Golf. Two teams, Americans vs the rest of the world. Yes the Ryder cup is America vs Europe, but you can tweak that.

Expand the teams to 12 or 14 players each. Again each player plays two games. One is a 2v2 team game, and the other is a 1v1 solo match.

Geoschmo

[DavidG]

Count me in for Team Canada http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[DavidG]

If you're looking for suggestions on game settings I'd strongly recomend no tech trading. Tech trading would mean that some highly competative team with players with too much time on their hands could plan all their research in intricate detail knowing they could trade for other things. I prefer a slightly more laid back game.

[nirtus]

One more seting: no mods
so 'LT gang' declear setings. USA team write your setings resume.

p.s. Maybe this setings in future will be SE4 Olimpyc games rules :0

[TerranC]

Originally posted by Loser:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TerranC:
Isle of Man<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You can count that one? That's like New York calling Long Island a Dependancy.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This link should give you an explanation why. (http://www.isle-of-man.com/tourism/storyman.shtml)

[Geckomlis]

Posting the following so everyone has a point of reference. Items in bold are open for discussion:

2003 PBW Olympics Lithuania vs. USA
Event: Furball

Max Players: 12 (6/6)
Turn duration: 36 hours
Turn automation: Fully automatic turns
SE4 Version: Stock v1.84 (Gold Patch 3)

Starting resources: 20000
Starting planets: 3
Home planet value: Good
Score display: Allied
Technology level: Low
Racial points: 3000
Quadrant type: Mid-Life
Quadrant size: Large
Event frequency: None
Event severity: N/A
Technology cost: Medium
Victory conditions: Last Alliance Standing
Maximum units: 5000
Maximum ships: 5000
Computer players: None
Computer difficulty: N/A
Computer player bonus: N/A
Neutral empires: None

Other game settings:
- No Intelligence
- Players can only colonize home planet type
- No Gifts\Tributes
- No Technology Gifts\Tributes\Trades
- No Ruins on planets

Please post corrections, additions, comments, and votes.

Thanks! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Taera]

what about team canada? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif heh, do Lithuian players want to play two games?

[Angeliux]

I prefer ALPU, as it is summer now and I may leave for some time to wacation.

[primitive]

Originally posted by Taera:
an ant?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Its: British AntArctic Territory.

The British Arctic Territory Flag Hoax (http://www.fotw.net/flags/gb!bat.html) are very funny (probably only an urband legend)

[sparhawk]

Heee no dutch team...TIMSTONE ARE YOU HERE STILL AROUND!!!!
EARTH CALLING TIMSTONE and any other dutchmen on this forum.

But otherwise a european team would be a good idea, I'm in.
And than we can also include the english...then they are a Last part of the E.U. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

sparhawk

dutch or european team:

1. Sparhawk
2.
3.
4.

[nirtus]

Why without trade/inteligent/gift? Pleaze write arguments. In our LT setings trade/gift/inteligent etc. alowed.
nirtus-LT

[DavidG]

Originally posted by geckomlis:

- Players can only colonize home planet type
- No Gifts\Tributes
- No Technology Gifts\Tributes\Trades
- No Ruins on planets

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well the Lithuanians and US can do what the want but for the Canadian game my 2 cents on this is:

The first one: Boooring! This adds a huge element of luck to the game since the number of colonizable planets are few and far between. plus it cuts way down on the number of decissions you have to make. (Gee should I colonize those red planets or build warships.)

The Last 3 I think are OK

[Angeliux]

Originally posted by DavidG:
Because they add more comlicated management. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif (less fun) BTW I don't think trades are Banned since they cannot be. Only tech trades.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ghm. IMHO More complicated game = more intresting. It will be more chalenging game, more chance to one or another team made a mistake. Teamplay mean that you must work together, coordinate your research, divide resources. Game features are built for playing with them, not for disabling.

[Angeliux]

We decided that LT Team requirements will be:

Intel ON
All trade ON
Can colonize all planets ON

Race points better 3000.

[ July 04, 2003, 13:28: Message edited by: Angeliux ]

[DavidG]

Originally posted by Angeliux:
Game features are built for playing with them, not for disabling.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And options buttons are included so you can turn them off. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I didn't mean to start an argument, to each his own. I only add my comments here for consideration for a future Team Canada game. Personally I am not interested in playing a game were tech trading is allowed as it adds an insane level of micro management. I would also not really like mines. 5 teamates getting together and adding 500 mines to a warp point just seems cheesy. (and would really bog down the game)

[Gryphin]

Game Specifications
I’m Trying to be fair here.
This started out as a challenge by the LT preferable to play against one team all from one nation. It evolved into being considered the SEIV Olympics. Within 24 hours a few of the Game Specs were issued by the LT.
To be fair I need to ask the LT if:
1) They are in favor of the SE Olympics concept
2) Prefer to go back to their original challenge to play against a single team from with all players from single nation.

In the case of going with SE Olympics then there may need to be a need to compromise on the Game Specifications
In the case of reverting to the original challenge then you have a greater chance of finding one team to accept on your terms.

In the event you prefer to go with your original challenge then we can start a new thread and pick up where we left off on organizing the SE Olympics with no hard feelings.

If you would like to discuss this privately please write to:
se@windingstream.com
Note: this is not the same address as in my profile.

Thanks

[ July 04, 2003, 14:08: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Gryphin]

Second thought:
The Olympics are made up of many different types of challenges.
I could see games with and without various elements including possibly the full suite of the Gryphin Convention.
< list later >

[Slynky]

I think the SE Olympics (expanding it from the LT challenge) has the most possibilities for fun.

(yeah, I'm commenting though I will follow Geo's lead of helping the USA team by NOT playing)

And, of course, another hand in the pot makes it difficult to stir properly.

But...

A few random suggestions (these are directed toward a worldwide olympic style approach):

</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Smaller teams make for better moving games. I'd suggest 3 at a max and possibly 2. In the case of an odd number of players wishing to represent their country, I suppose a team of 3 or 2 would be workable. Also, this would allow for more countries who can't field a team of 4 or 5 or 6.
</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Geo's comments and suggestions are very worth listening to. A team concept with a solo addition is similar to the real olympics. It would take some more management, of course. In concert with the above comment, it would also allow a person to at least represent their country if they happen to be the only one available.
</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Once a format (what is and is NOT allowed) is decided upon, no variations should be allowed throughout the whole challenge.
</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If it goes olympic "worldwide", then the duration could justify a small webpage. Also, while each person is representing their country, I'd suggest a small banner graphic in each person's "signature" to signify they are a representative in the Olympic match. (I'd be glad to design it for each country using their flag integrated with a simple "splash" if there was enough interest)
</font><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Anyway, just some thoughts. The thread has incredible interest and activity so I couldn't keep out of it... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

[General Woundwort]

Originally posted by Slynky:
Smaller teams make for better moving games. I'd suggest 3 at a max and possibly 2. In the case of an odd number of players wishing to represent their country, I suppose a team of 3 or 2 would be workable. Also, this would allow for more countries who can't field a team of 4 or 5 or 6. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Perhaps we could do two teams of 3 from those countries that can muster the manpower (USA, UK). That way more games could be run simulaneously.

[ July 04, 2003, 19:19: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

[Gryphin]

Unless there is signifigant objection it will be:
ALPU till September and can then be renegotiated.

[Gryphin]

BTW: This is a cool idea:

If it goes olympic "worldwide", then the duration could justify a small webpage. Also, while each person is representing their country, I'd suggest a small banner graphic in each person's "signature" to signify they are a representative in the Olympic match. (I'd be glad to design it for each country using their flag integrated with a simple "splash" if there was enough interest)

I can provide an area at windingsteam.com for a web page.

[Angeliux]

Originally posted by geckomlis:

- Players can only colonize home planet type
- No Gifts\Tributes
- No Technology Gifts\Tributes\Trades
- No Ruins on planets

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Without trade & gifts game loses many team management posibilities. Lithuanian team votes that Gifts/Trade must be in game.
I think, why remove from game things that adds more complicated management (more fun).

[DavidG]

Originally posted by Angeliux:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by geckomlis:

- Players can only colonize home planet type
- No Gifts\Tributes
- No Technology Gifts\Tributes\Trades
- No Ruins on planets

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Without trade & gifts game loses many team management posibilities. Lithuanian team votes that Gifts/Trade must be in game.
I think, why remove from game things that adds more complicated management (more fun).</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because they add more comlicated management. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif (less fun) BTW I don't think trades are Banned since they cannot be. Only tech trades.

[TerranC]

Originally posted by primitive:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Taera:
an ant?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Its: British AntArctic Territory.

The British Arctic Territory Flag Hoax (http://www.fotw.net/flags/gb!bat.html) are very funny (probably only an urband legend)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">All territorial claims made on Antartica is disregarded and unrecognized by the world.

Therefore, I won't list the British Antarctic Territories there, just like I won't list Adelie Land, or Dronning Mauds Land, whatever the heck that is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by TerranC:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by primitive:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Taera:
an ant?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Its: British AntArctic Territory.

The British Arctic Territory Flag Hoax (http://www.fotw.net/flags/gb!bat.html) are very funny (probably only an urband legend)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">All territorial claims made on Antartica is disregarded and unrecognized by the world.

Therefore, I won't list the British Antarctic Territories there, just like I won't list Adelie Land, or Dronning Mauds Land, whatever the heck that is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok first off Clay Moss is full of ****! This is what I mean by less than honest people posting something that is utter BS and then people "think" its a true story. No government ever contacted him asking for verification and the US government NEVER added his flag to anything other than the waste paper basket.

[ July 05, 2003, 04:49: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[nirtus]

hy all,

Sorry weakend http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif LT team write our opinion on monday

nirtus-LT

[Pablo]

tech trading/intel whatever I think should be allowed and 'colonize own planet type only' should not. Hey, we are trying to create a team game not another individual challenge. That was the initial idea. For Individual games we already have KOTH. For an individual play in a team - we have an ordinary SEIV game in a Partnership alliance. Here we wanted to try a team only game where the team chooses one person for diplomacy, one for research management, one for defences etc. I agree that there would be plenty of micromanagement but that is possible (or you could turn on the ministers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ). I still think we need a team game and making it individual is not the olympics idea.

[geoschmo]

Pablo, no offense but "Olympics" has the connotation of an event rather than a single game. The olympics have many solo games as well as team events. Of course I was just making a suggestion and you all are free to use it or not.

Atrocities, that seems like a lot of anger over a simple little internet hoax that happened years ago. You didn't get suckered into a BAT resort timeshare or something did you? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Geoschmo

[ July 05, 2003, 14:19: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[Gryphin]

Pablo
I am not sure I understand.
Would You and the rest of Team Lithuania like to play against one team made up of players from the same nation using your Game Specification?
or
Would like to pursue the "Olympics Theme"?
or
Both?

I intend to go forward with the Olympics theme and will be happy to GM a single game between you and another team.
Ofcourse Team Lithuania would still be welcome to partisipate in the "SEIV Olympics"

[Gryphin]

My Concept for SEIV Olympics
I see this as a very long term event where
1. Personal and national politics are set aside
2. Personal negative feelings toward other players are set aside
3. Teams are made up of players from the same nation or region except where there are not enough players available from that nation.
4. The games consist of a variety of enabled and disabled features. Some of the “disabled features” may be via rules of the Olympic Convention ™. The games will also use of various mods.
5. Scores will be applied as objectively as possible to each game.

I am open to suggestions for and help with every area. I am sure the above is over simplified. I am willing to step down from this position if there is sufficient concern about my neutrality or competence.

Regarding personal and national politics. Friendly Cheering is welcome. Flag waving is welcome. I hope I do not have to spell out what is not.
Regarding personal negative feelings toward other players from your nation or another. You are required to put them aside or even better let go of them. Life is too short.
I will have no qualms banishing people from the games for violation of the above.
Regarding team composition. It may be necessary to combine players from different nations for larger team games while allowing them to represent their nations in solo or smaller team play.
Regarding what the games will consist of. I need suggestions here. I am thinking of
Very Generic
Rock Paper Scissors Mod
Using Grid Maps
High Tech Starts,
Low points, high points, Map on, Map off

Regarding score keeping. I will need some help here.
Regarding a web page. I can give someone the ability to maintain one or if people do the pages I can upload them.

Ideas? Anybody?

[Ruatha]

There is a scandinavian team on the court, so far 4 players and more are sure to be dropping in.
We will conquer the world, whoa ha ha. The gold is ours!!

http://www.3dflags.com/assets/XV21AE/gif/2/s/3dflagsdotcom_swena_2fabl.gif
http://www.3dflags.com/assets/XV21AE/gif/2/f/3dflagsdotcom_finna_2fawl.gif
http://www.3dflags.com/assets/XV21AE/gif/2/n/3dflagsdotcom_norwa_2fawl.gif
http://www.3dflags.com/assets/XV21AE/gif/2/d/3dflagsdotcom_denma_2fawl.gif

http://www.eusidic.org/sweden.gif http://www.eusidic.org/norway.gif http://www.eusidic.org/denmark.gif http://www.eusidic.org/finland2.gif

[ July 05, 2003, 21:44: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Flag waving is welcome. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/FLAGGOR.gif
http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/DAN_SORG.GIF
http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/GREENL2.GIF
http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/FAERO.GIF
http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/BORN1.GIF
http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/BORN2.GIF
http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/JYLLAND.GIF

[Ruatha]

http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/FIN_SVEN.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/INGER.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/KARELEN.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/VESTLA.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/TROND.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/NORDNOR.GIF

[Ruatha]

http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/GOTLAND.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/HERJEDAL.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/NORR2.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/VGOT.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/SKANE.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/SMALAND1.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/OLAND.GIF
http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/OGOT.GIF

[Ruatha]

That should cover everyone in the Scandinavian team (Max 8 images per post allowed).

But, actually, this flag:
http://w1.318.telia.com/~u31811999/flaggor/ork_1.gif
was for a time the same for almost all of the scandinavian territory, so it will be good enough I belive.

[ July 05, 2003, 22:07: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[Breakable]

I think pablo didnt understood the idea of se olimpics. And as far as i understand it is a load of a job to organise it.
I think this should be done like this:
there should be a web page
with registration, that has a choise of a country (team) to belong to.
There should be one person responsible for setting deadlines, defining rules and choosing teams to play against each other. Of course this could be done in a matter of discussion, but it would take much more time.
And there should allso be some summarisation of results for each game, with winners and http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif others.

The whole idea of this reply is to make Griffin to forget the se olimpics idea http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

=================
Dont worry - be happy.

[Geckomlis]

USA Team:
1. Atrocities (Atrocities)
2. geckomlis (Gecko)
3. Mathias_Ice (Mathias Ice)
4. Ragnarok (WarLord Ragnarok)
5. General Woundwort (Woundwort)
6. Rojero (Rojero)
Alternates:
7. Gandalph (Gandalph)

OK, we have six USA players and one spare. Does the Lithuanian team want to expand the game to 7 players per team?

[Gryphin]

Breakable,
Thanks for the input.
What there is - A spreadsheet on my local system
What there should be - Is probably beyond the scope of possilbe
What there will be - Is up to everyone

If the Team Lithuania would like to take on a single team as originaly profered they are more than welcome.
I intend to do my best to follow through. On Pablo's request I will start a new thread and GM a game between Team Lithuania and the first team of its choise.
Everyone who would like to discuss this privately is welcome to email me at:
se@windingstream.com
Thanks again for your input.

[Gryphin]

Ruatha the Flag Waver
LMAO
Looks good. Such national spirit.

[Geckomlis]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
If the Team Lithuania would like to take on a single team as originaly profered they are more than welcome.
I intend to do my best to follow through. On Pablo's request I will start a new thread and GM a game between Team Lithuania and the first team of its choise.
Everyone who would like to discuss this privately is welcome to email me at:
se@windingstream.com
Thanks again for your input.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We have six USA players and one spare ready now to play a team game. I will be the single point of contact for the USA team.

-Gecko

[TerranC]

We canadians can't be beat now, can we? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

http://canflag.ptbcanadian.com/images/regular/photos/littlecanflag.gif

[Pablo]

ok, so SE Olympics is probably another tournament and I would like to get back to our LT vs. other country game. Our opponent team is USA or Canada? Gryphin, start a game and we will join in. I believe you know the game settings for our game (a bit different than SE Olympics). First I think we would like to play 1 game and after that another country's team but not both at the same time.
Edit: we already have 7 players http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Let's start or there may be more http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ July 07, 2003, 18:47: Message edited by: Pablo ]

[Pablo]

Bump. We're still waiting for a game to start...

[narf poit chez BOOM]

hehe. only threat to us is russians. anybody else would freeze. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Geckomlis]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
I am glad to see this is settled.
Could someone please post the agreed upon specs.
Thanks
I'll have it up by GMT-7, (or 7:00 East Coast USA Time)<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Gryphin, per this thread, the settings stand as follows:

Max Players: 14 (7 versus 7)
Turn duration: 36 hours
Turn automation: After Last player upload only (at least for the summer)
SE4 Version: Stock v1.84 (Gold Patch 3)

Starting resources: 20000
Starting planets: 3
Home planet value: Good
Score display: Allied
Technology level: Low
Racial points: 3000
Quadrant type: Mid-Life
Quadrant size: Large
Event frequency: None
Event severity: N/A
Technology cost: Medium
Victory conditions: Last Alliance Standing
Maximum units: 5000
Maximum ships: 5000
Computer players: None
Computer difficulty: N/A
Computer player bonus: N/A
Neutral empires: None

All other settings are game defaults.

Thanks for acting as GM!

Gecko

[nirtus]

HY all

LT team waiting... we are preapered for batles http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I proposing too: Creat "SE4" League, where players team (not only by country), can play by one se4setings, by 1-1. And winers get points and in this way we will know best team.

p.s. sorry for my poor english

[Gryphin]

I am glad to see this is settled.
Could someone please post the agreed upon specs.
Thanks
I'll have it up by GMT-7, (or 7:00 East Coast USA Time)

[Gryphin]

geckomlis
Thanks for the repost.
What is the desired map size and shape?
(sorry if it has alwready been posted).

[Geckomlis]

Originally posted by Pablo:
number of players is 14 so I would think medium - large and maybe FQM. Not 255 systems of course because the game would Last a year http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree.

[Gryphin]

Ok, can do. Medium
Lastly, What shape?
Dence Paradice? Dence Midlife?

[Pablo]

number of players is 14 so I would think medium - large and maybe FQM. Not 255 systems of course because the game would Last a year http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Geckomlis]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Ok, can do. Medium
Lastly, What shape?
Dence Paradice? Dence Midlife?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Surprise us...

[Pablo]

Originally posted by geckomlis:
Surprise us...<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Ok then, A surprise by 8:00 tonight EAst Coast
This is for sure.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Woohoo! I'm ready to get going. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Gryphin]

Game has been posted. I need to change a few things.
Lithuania vs USA Challenge

[ July 10, 2003, 23:22: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Gryphin]

Ok then, A surprise by 8:00 tonight EAst Coast
This is for sure.

[Gryphin]

Anything Not allowed?

[Pablo]

yep, everything is allowed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Gryphin]

Team Lithuanian

Requirements
The game must be up and running by Saturday 9:00 PM East Coast Time. I leave for a week Sunday morning. I have all day Saturday to work on this.

I have prepared two maps of between 170 and 200 systems each. I used one of FQMs variations on Mid Life.
I am prepared to start a game with the first one with mildly unexpected features and player placement or with the second one with “normal” features and placement of players. I really believe you will like the unexpected nature of the first map.
I will be happy to start one game and see if everyone likes the map. If they do not then I can start the second game.
I may need a volunteer to finish setting up the second game if I run out of time.

Let me know folks

[Pablo]

Hey Gryphin, make turn duration ALPU. People will be leaving from time to time you know. Summer it is http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Gryphin]

Done and players added.

[Gryphin]

Clearly this is not going to be ready in time.

If anyone wants to take over GM Geo is probably able to reset the password or delete the game.

Enjoy

[Geckomlis]

Pablo,

Do we need a new GM or do we wait for Gryphin to return?

-Gecko

[Pablo]

sorry guys, I was away for the weekend and probably be away for several more weekends too (the day of becoming a father is approaching fast) and maybe even a week off in the beginning-middle of August. That is just the way mother nature has arranged it for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

The game still needs a few players to login. I think we should wait for Gryphin to return as I believe the map took him quite some time and efforts to create and place players. This would be unfair just to give it to anybody. I personally can't wait to see it (the surprise thing got me jumping) and thanx Gryphin! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Gryphin]

I'm back. I'll try to get things up and running by tomorrow.

[Pablo]

Gryphin no need to hurry. Not all the players are in the game yet. Rojero can't play for the USA team and 1 of our guys is supposed to get back soon.

[BBegemott]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Would someone please find the Lithuanian Thread and bump it with there PBW names.
Thanks again <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lithuanian Team:
Intel Forum Name/PBW Name

Pablo / Pablo
nigma / nigma
nirtus / nirtus
Dreiko / Dreiko
Bbegemott / BBegemott
Angeliokas / Angeliokas
Breakable / Break

I see there are 2 players that belong to neither of teams: rasteed & JesseTheMan. That's why nigma can't join the game. Perhaps Team USA would like to accept one of those players to their team?

[Gryphin]

BBegemott
Thanks,
The two players have been kicked.

[Pablo]

Gryphin, the situation now:
[LT] BBegemott Ready
[LT] Pablo Ready
[LT] nirtus Ready
[LT] Dreiko Ready
[LT] Angeliokas Pending join
[LT] Break Pending join
[LT] nigma Pending join
[USA] Woundwort Ready
[USA] Mathias Pending join
[USA] Atrocities Pending join
[USA] Gecko Pending join
[USA] Gandalph Pending join
[USA] ?
[USA] ?

Gecko, what about 2 more USA players? Or maybe you want to join Canada? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Ragnarok]

I was going to dig this thread up Last night but forgot. But I have had to withdraw from this game due to RL time constraints. I need to cut back on the amount of games I'm in so I figured I do so in this one before it started so that you all could find someone to play from the beginning. I would've loved to play this game but as mentioned I just cannot at the time being. You all have fun!

[Pablo]

Gryphin, I think we have agreed to use your 'surprise' map, haven't we?

[Gryphin]

Pablo welcome back.
I am ready when you are. I have two maps. One is "normal" and one is full of surprises.
I'm ready when you are.

[Pablo]

BUMP
It takes very long to get this game rolling for some reason http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Edit: Gryphin check out the two players that joined our game. I'm not sure they are both from USA. And accept the pending ones http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ August 26, 2003, 08:03: Message edited by: Pablo ]