Vengance of the Dead

[PsiSoldier]

If a commander retreats from battle in Vengance of the Dead does that commander die? or do they survive by retreating?

Ive seen in some other types of assassination attempts that if the commander retreats it appears that they die regardless of making it off the battlefield alive. But I'm not sure if VOD works that way as well or not.

Anyone know that would care to enlighten me? If it's the case that the commander dies regardless of retreating then it appears I get a chance to summon a now dead King of elemental earth But I'd hate to waste 50 Earth gems if he's still alive hiding out somewhere.

[Sombre]

Retreat = death.

[NTJedi]

Originally Posted by Sombre

Retreat = death.

This is correct. Personally I feel retreating should be allowed as described below:

Ideally the attacker and defender should be on opposite sides of the battlefield thus anyone trying to retreat would need to run past the enemy before fleeing the battlefield.

[Agema]

I think it works okay thematically and practically.

I believe there may still be a problem that the defender autorouts by time limit eventually if he can't kill all the attackers, which I'm not sure I do agree with thematically. Although in practical terms, it's nice that no matter how terrifying the SC, something can take it out.

[vfb]

I sent a VoTD against an Air Queen once, who happened to be carrying the pocket lich. The hordes of soulless did not last long.

[Kuritza]

Terrifying SCs can be killed without bugged spells with hordes of mindless chaff that cant rout when it should. Perhaps not with a self-targeting lvl4 overland spell, but still.

[Agema]

You've still got to pass an MR check to get the attack to work, and a terrifying SC should have at least 23-34 MR (probably nearer 30 if enough of an investment), so it would still usually need a lot of VotDs cast to kill it - particularly as until you get sufficiently far into the hundreds of chaff, the SC will probably be able to kill them, so you might need multiple successful castings.

[Illuminated One]

Yeah, in power terms it's quite fair imo. Especially as a simple Mind Hunt will do the trick for many SCs even better.

But I still find it extremely ironic, that some invulnerable never tiring supercreature would just turn around after 5 minutes of fighting and commit suicide.

[Executor]

I never really found Votd worth casting. The cross paths are hard to come by, in no way does it guarantee success even if it does hit the target, even more than once, and it's more expensive and harder to get than a mind hunt.

[thejeff]

The advantage over Mind Hunt is that mind hunt hits a random target in the province. With enough cheap targets, your valuable SC might not even be targeted, much less hit often enough to overcome his mr.