seeking arrow

[parone]

getting spammed, stopped an advance cold. is there any defense vs this, or do you just have to send out a ton of commanders?

[Doo]

Anyone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it work off the mechanics of regular arrows, thus having high hp to take the hit and survive or high armor to absorb the hit will save a commander.

Not sure if things like equipped shields or the Clock of Missile Deflection help. Lets try searching....

Yay!

Ok so some great testing done by the knowledgeable Calahan, the key point for this discussion being:

"The end results show that out of 300 'Seeking Arrows' cast at....

300 Bare Scouts --- 151 died, 45 received afflictions.
300 Scouts equipped with a Small Shield (Parry 4) --- 150 died, 39 received afflictions.
300 Scouts equipped with a Tower Shield (Parry 8) --- 145 died, 57 received afflictions.
300 Scouts equipped with a Lucky Pendant --- 67 died, 25 received afflictions.
300 Scouts equipped with Robe of Missile Protection --- 14 died, 9 received afflictions."

So it seems shields do nothing, Lucky Pendants seem to stop 50% (as you would expect if they did anything) and Robes of Missile Protection are awesome. CBM changes Rings of Warning to have I think 50% missile protection so they may be an option. If you have an air bless then Shrouds of the Saint may be an option too.

Realistically....

Put these items on those you really want to protect (mages with cool names and the like ) and spam indy commanders to protect the rest.

[sansanjuan]

Originally Posted by Doo

Anyone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it work off the mechanics of regular arrows, thus having high hp to take the hit and survive or high armor to absorb the hit will save a commander.

Not sure if things like equipped shields or the Clock of Missile Deflection help. Lets try searching....

Yay!

Ok so some great testing done by the knowledgeable Calahan, the key point for this discussion being:

"The end results show that out of 300 'Seeking Arrows' cast at....

300 Bare Scouts --- 151 died, 45 received afflictions.
300 Scouts equipped with a Small Shield (Parry 4) --- 150 died, 39 received afflictions.
300 Scouts equipped with a Tower Shield (Parry 8) --- 145 died, 57 received afflictions.
300 Scouts equipped with a Lucky Pendant --- 67 died, 25 received afflictions.
300 Scouts equipped with Robe of Missile Protection --- 14 died, 9 received afflictions."

So it seems shields do nothing, Lucky Pendants seem to stop 50% (as you would expect if they did anything) and Robes of Missile Protection are awesome. CBM changes Rings of Warning to have I think 50% missile protection so they may be an option. If you have an air bless then Shrouds of the Saint may be an option too.

Realistically....

Put these items on those you really want to protect (mages with cool names and the like ) and spam indy commanders to protect the rest.

Doo,
If you have time... What about 300 scouts with an S9 (twist of fate) shroud?
-ssj

[Bwaha]

If the casters are wearing Sacred Shrouds and have a death blessing does that affect seeking arrow???

[Doo]

From the linked post, death bless does nothing to increase affliction chance.

Actually I heard of a mod that makes testing so much easier to set up. I tried looking for that mod but without knowing its name I'm at a bit of a loss. If somebody can point me in the right direction for that mod I'll offer my services to do some testing.

*edit* Debugmod 1.07

[Doo]

Ok, I did 10 tests of 10 Seeking Arrows cast at 10 Scouts wearing Shrouds of the Saint conferring an S9 bless (thus Twist Fate)

Thus from 100 casts 25 resulted in hits and 7 deaths. Of notice was that Calahans testing showed that 50% of scouts die but with my test only 28% of those hit died, but given I only tested the equivalent of 100 Seeking Arrows vs Calahans 300 this could account for it. The testing gave an average of 2.5 hits per round with a standard deviation of 1.08, perhaps further testing could be done to lower the error but I can't be stuffed.

Those not hit received this message:

"Suddenly an arrow appeared out of the sky and headed straight for X's heart. But for some reason X managed to escape his deadly fate and got away with only a scratch."

The take home message is that Seeking Arrow cast at a unit wearing a Saint of the Shroud conferring an S9 bless (Twist Fate) will ignore the Twist Fate effect 25% of the time.

Test save game attached, it needs the DebugMod.

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Originally Posted by Doo

Not sure if things like equipped shields or the Clock of Missile Deflection help. Lets try searching....

Having never used the ROBE of missile deflection, I didn't initially think this was a typo, and was super excited to try wishing for the CLOCK of missile deflection!

[Doo]

Originally Posted by BewareTheBarnacleGoose

Having never used the ROBE of missile deflection, I didn't initially think this was a typo, and was super excited to try wishing for the CLOCK of missile deflection!

Flavor Flav, one of the very few hip hop masters never to be shot. True story.

[parone]

it's an armor negating attack, so armor isn't too helpful.

what's wierd is, it does 8 damage, and it killed one of my commanders who had 12 HPs, which i find odd.

Doo, where did you do this search? i can't find the data bases for that. thanks for your research.

[Grimgor]

According to the linked Calahan post, the spell does 0-24 damage, with an average of 8.2. That's probably how it killed your commander