Vehicle Size- Does size matter?

[EOT]

I experimented targeting different vehicles at their front profile and side profile and found no credible difference in targeting accuracy. The range to the target/speed seems to much more important deciding factor.

I will experiment with spotting vehicles with varying sizes/speed.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Richard_H

I'll try & remember that bit about the T-34 & leave it out - the last thing I suspect you need is info 3 & 4 times over.
Richard H

And you can note down I DO NOT care if loadcost of vehicle A is 10 and the same vehicle in another OOB is 12. I really ( REALLY ) don't care especially with tanks. The only thing loadcost is used for with tanks is loading into landing craft for beach assaults. It has no other purpose so it has to be 55 or below. I someone wanted to be able allow two tanks into a landing craft he would give the tank a weight of 27

In the past some players ASSUMED it was weight in tons. IT IS NOT otherwise most modern MBT's would not fit into a landing craft that has a code limit of 255 .


Don

[DRG]

Originally Posted by EOT

I experimented targeting different vehicles at their front profile and side profile and found no credible difference in targeting accuracy.

How could it be otherwise when size the game code reads is limited to one number ?


Don

[EOT]

With the armour ratings for front and side I thought maybe the targeting/spotting would change with vehicle profile frontal/side?

If Russian tanks are size 4 than the height profile of a vehicle is the most important factor in determining size.

Most SPA are size 6 and have a high profile.

[EOT]

Originally Posted by DRG

1-6 is the standard for tanks since SP1

I thought the standard size of a main battle tank is 5

[gila]

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The size of the truck should not be less because it has canvas. This makes it easier to spot/track and engage. You would engage the target until disabled or destroyed. If your just putting holes in the canvas than your probably using the wrong ammo to begin with.

I'd have to agree,the size of truck should should be relevant to the actual profile of the vehichle downrange,regardless if most may be canvas,and usually it's transporting men or equipment!

[EOT]

(SP2) Size Definition: The Measure of the unit's weight and bulk.
(SP3) Size Definition: The Measure of the unit's silhouette size.
Large units are easier to spot and hit.

(SP2 and SP3)
Infantry squads 1
Attack helicopters 2
Main Battle Tanks 5
No object is larger than 12

If we go with the (SP3) definition of silhouette than we can use the front/side profile.

Front Silhouette = Width X Height
Side Silhouette = Length X Height

If we add the two totals and divide them we can arrive at an average silhouette size.

Examples

Bradley IFV Game Size=(4)
Front Profile (11.81ft X 9.78ft)=115.51
Side Profile (21.49ft X 9.78ft)=210.17
Average Silhouette 162.84

M1 MBT (5)
Front Profile (12ft X 8ft)=96
Side Profile (26.02ft X 8ft)=208.16
Average Silhouette 152.08

Lav3 IFV (5)
Front Profile 81.88
Side Profile 210.68
Average Profile 146.28

Lav-25 (4)
Front Profile 68.96
Side Profile 176.36
Average Silhouette 122.66

Stryker (4)
Front Profile 71.37
Side Profile 163.54
Average Silhouette 132.92

M113 (3)
Front Profile 72.24
Side Profile 130.71
Average Silhouette 101.48

T-72 MBT (4)
Front Profile 88.06
Side Profile 163.54
Average Silhouette 125.8

M109-A5 (6)
Front Profile 112.32
Side Profile 220.32
Average Profile 166.32

M109-A6 (6)
Front Profile 115.56
Side Profile 241.92
Average 178.74

Leopard 2 MBT (5)
Front Profile 98.7
Side Profile 205.93
Average Silhouette 152.32

Challenger 1 MBT (5)
Front Profile 94.14
Side Profile 223.86
Average Silhouette 159

Leopard 1 MBT (5)
Front Profile 94.67
Side Profile 199.11
Average Silhouette 146.89

Warrior IFV (4)
Front Profile 83.81
Side Profile 191.36
Average Silhouette 137.59

AAV7A1 Amphibious APC (6)
Front Profile 119.46
Side Profile 291.37
Average Silhouette 205.41

BMP-2 (3)
Front Profile 83.05
Side Profile 177.28
Average Silhouette 130.17

Humvee (2)
Front Profile 42.48
Side Profile 90
Average Silhouette 66.24

Cougar AVGP (5)
Front Profile 70.52
Side Profile 166.75
Average Silhouette 118.64


Spotlights
Size 2 Humvee Silhouette size 66.24
Size 3 M113 101.71
Size 4 Lav-25 122.66 T-72 125.8
Size 5 Lav-3 146.28
Size 6 AAV7A1 205.41

In keeping with (SP2) Tradition we should gauge the size of vehicles based on the MBT size of 5 as a reference point. We can decide on what the cut-offs are for size 2,3,4,5 and 6.

Cut-off Points
Size 2 (50-79)
Size 3 (80-109)
Size 4 (110-139)
Size 5 (140-169)
Size 6 (170+)

If we go by these cut-off points than the vehicle sizes are very close to what we have now in SPMBT OOB's. I think the vehicles that are off on the sizes are either typos and only a few would need to to adjusted per country. The sizes are actually more accurate than I first perceived.

[Suhiir]

Never use SP3 as an example as it is a totally different game with totally different code then SP2 or WinSPMBT. The two are not really comparable.

As to trucks, point taken.

[EOT]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

Never use SP3 as an example as it is a totally different game with totally different code then SP2 or WinSPMBT. The two are not really comparable.

As to trucks, point taken.

You wouldn't have to change the code, this is just a reference point/guide to follow when deciding on the size of a vehicle. This would be a quick slotting system so that the vehicles specs are as close to the real thing and so that guys like me don't complain.

There is enough various between sizes so that any amour upgrades and turrets/remote weapon station would not affect the size unless the vehicle was on the bubble.

Example: M4 Sherman Size 5 would change to 4
Front Profile (8.7ft X 9ft) = 78.3
Side Profile (19.2ft X 9 ft) = 172.80
Average Silhouette 125.55

T-72 Size 4 would not change
M1 MBT Size 5 would not change

[EOT]

Originally Posted by EOT

You wouldn't have to change the code, this is just a reference point/guide to follow when deciding on the size of a vehicle. This would be a quick slotting system so that the vehicles specs are as close to the real thing and so that guys like me don't complain.

There is enough various between sizes so that any amour upgrades and turrets/remote weapon station would not affect the size unless the vehicle was on the bubble.

Example: M4 Sherman Size 5 would change to 4
Front Profile (8.7ft X 9ft) = 78.3
Side Profile (19.2ft X 9 ft) = 172.80
Average Silhouette 125.55

T-72 Size 4 would not change
M1 MBT Size 5 would not change

Enough various so that if I found specs that say the height of the vehicle is say 7 inches shorter and someone else finds info that references 5 inches taller, the vehicle should still be in the same sizing slot.