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Old October 29th, 2015, 10:32 AM

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Default French Para Obat error?

Here I thought I was banned from posting, guess I was in the wrong forum trying to post.

So I have several scenarios that are part of MBT, all created back in V3 and a play test of them shows that they have errors in them now. The biggest is that the French para company, in 82, is breaking down platoons into HQ HQ sqd sqd, an example can be seen here, post 2:

http://www.theblitz.org/message_boar....php?tid=68651

So C platoon looks normal when purchased, but once on the map for deploy turns into C platoon HQ, D platoon HQ, D sqd, D sqd.

I searched the forums before posting this, don't see it reported anywhere. I guess until the obat is fixed I can't fix the scenarios.
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Old October 29th, 2015, 10:55 AM
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Interesting.......I think the platoon is the culprit but I will look into this but from what I can see at first glance those two formations are unchanged since winV1

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Old October 29th, 2015, 11:01 AM
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Default Re: French Para Obat error?

I did a little playing:

it seems this is due to original OoB designer trying to cover a large period of time with 1 formation. The platoon formation is effectivley:
HQ section
Pre 1974 sec
Pre 1974 sec
Pre 1974 sec
post '74 sec
post '74 sec
post '74 sec
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so the "gap" of 3 missing (out of timescale) units seems to create a further platoon.

I was able to prevent the problem by creating seperate pre-74 and post 74 platoon formations (plenty of room in french OoB )
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That's my first impression as well but checking back it does not look like that platoon has changed since about 2002, for sure 2005 but I've just started looking

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I was able to prevent the problem by creating seperate pre-74 and post 74 platoon formations (plenty of room in french OoB )
and you forget the AI picklists pick by specific formation # not "type" and if you change or remove a formation there's a good chance the picklist will need to be adjusated IF the original formation was used as a pick.

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Old October 29th, 2015, 07:16 PM
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fixed now, required expanding the number of coys and platoons to ensure the disribution of units that was noted would not happen across all dates

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Is there any way for me to get a copy of the fix so I can correct the scenario, otherwise if I rebuild it the units will still stay the errant way, no? Also, is it correct for 120mm air dropped mortars to drop abandoned (talking airborne mortars now regular grunt ones)?
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Old October 29th, 2015, 11:10 PM

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Default Re: French Para Obat error?

I checked my medal and it was awarded in 2006 so that is when the scenarios were created.
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Is there any way for me to get a copy of the fix so I can correct the scenario, otherwise if I rebuild it the units will still stay the errant way, no)?
wait for the spring release. If these are scenarios already in the master game give me the scenario numbers but if there is a scenario problem I'll find in during my final checks next spring that I always run before a release

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Also, is it correct for 120mm air dropped mortars to drop abandoned (talking airborne mortars now regular grunt ones)?

They do not drop abandoned, the crew drops independent of the mortar and it's the players job to re-unit the crew to the gun/mortar. So yes, it's working the way we want it to work.

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Default Re: French Para Obat error?

I was going to rework Crossroads at Lubbeke as a play test left me wondering why I did what I did way back then. So if I rebuild it I will be loading a C hq Dhq D sqd D sqd onto a transport, then I will have to send them to you and hope they get fixed before the next release. Can I not just have the updated obat, it shouldn't be a big deal, or PM me and tell me how to fix it on my end? I would rather know everything is correct when I rebuild the scenario. I am also going to play test my others to make sure I am happy with them.
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