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Nationalist China OOB21:

Remaining remarks from my notes:


47 45L66 AT guns - photo has a short barrel, should be eg. 29366

63 GMC AOP Truck - photo of CMP truck is appropriate only for late use. Better light truck of 1930s/40s is eg. 1074 (KNIL)

394 Nakajima Type 91 - it's a detail, but according to the book on Chinese aviation quoted before, delivered in a significant number to Kwangsi airforce only in 9/1935 (now 9/34). Only one was used from 9/34 for evaluation (the second one got quickly crashed).


396 Waco 240A - according to the book, arrived only in 1/31 (now 1/30) - the earliest fighter bomber from 1/30 might be copied Breguet XIV (unit 427 level bomber), or Old Corsair mentioned below.

397 Douglas O-2MC - might be copied with alternative heavier bomb load 2 x 120lb described in action in the quoted book.

399 V-92C Corsair - it has a different icon, than unit 400 - apparently should be the same. However, it makes not much sense as a strafer. It could be renamed as O2U-1D, known as "Old Corsair" used from 1930, with weaker engine - with some lighter bombs and possibly slower?

400 V-92C Corsair - it could carry 2 x 120lb (described in the book) - now it has one 110lb bomb.

408 I-16 Type 10 - name should be changed to Type 5 (it has 2 MGs)
There could be added I-16 Type 10 with 4 MGs from spring of 1938.

A Chinese photo: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/91/c9/69/9...054da73187.jpg


427 Breguet XIV.B [level bomber] - might be copied as a fighter-bomber, the most typical Chinese attack plane from late 1920s. -
"B" in the name seems redundant (or B2 to be precise in French nomenclature)
Typical WW1 era bomb load of Bre 14 was 32 x 8kg or 16 x 20kg.

428 Fiat Br.3 - it's worth to copy it with much heavier load, eg. 6 x 250lb or 2 x 500lb bombs (confirmed in the book).
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017 PzKw Ia - according to German reports (from Jentz), they were unpacked from crates only in June 1937 "due to insufficient organization" (now: 6/36).
Name was written as IA or I A (like in German OOB)

Size should be 2 - they were very low (and in IA variant also low short) [edit].
The same should be in German OOB for IA and IB (and Spanish).

However, as I look at sizes of light tanks, I'm afraid that some are not coherent... Japanese light and medium tanks are smaller than others (the same in Japanese OOB) - is it a purpose handicap?

Type 95 Ha-Go (size 2) was relatively tall - 2,1 m, similar to Vickers E and T-26, although its pointed turret probably made it harder to be noticed. But much smaller Type 94 and Type 97 are of the same size 2.
However, size 3 is also Stuart, which was bigger and taller. On the other hand, when I look at this video, it doesn't seem that bigger... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IptafdU5z6s

I have a chart of light tanks in the same scale, +/- 2 pixels http://derela.pl/tanks35_SPWW2_PIBWL.jpg

Leaving apart light tanks, it seems however, that Type 97 Chi-Ha should be size 4 instead of 3 - and Type 89 size 4 or 5 instead of 3 (it was Sherman size...)...

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I will.....maybe.... wade through all of this in the new year..maybe....
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- and Type 89 size 4 or 5 instead of 3 (it was Sherman size...)...
Height is not the only consideration given to assigning a size value and when width and length ( and turret size ) are considered as well a Type 89 was not "Sherman size " The 89's turret is half the size of even the basic Sherman and it is narrower than the Sherman but I will grant you that *maybe* it justifies a 4 but given "Tank Battles" involving the Japanese and anyone else are, even being generous...... RARE, it's not an issue that will tip the overall outcome a battle one way or the other

Vehicle size in the game is, and always has and always will be a subjective value with a narrow and limited range of choices and many of these size values were either hold overs from SP1 or go back over 2 decades to the beginnings of SP2WW2
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