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Old February 12th, 2019, 08:20 AM
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Pat the simple solution is to write your submission in your email program then when you are happy with it copy and paste into the forums and then you won't get timed out and lose things
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I appreciate it, it's just very aggravating is all. Will try to get that data out tomorrow morning after work tonight concerning the T-90S. I would find out thru SIPRI Uganda also received Russian T-55AM-2 tanks but I couldn't find them in the OOB, did I miss something? SIPRI did indicate they were transshipped via Belarus. I see the Czech's had one of that name, but these where to have been updated with Kontiak-5 etc. I will present an option from one of my Refs. concerning the matter if nothing else presents itself.

Thanks again, I just had to walk away and regroup and my focus is on today, it'll be a big one at work with a new guy on top of it.

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no AM-2's with Kontiak in the Uganda OOB but there will be once you fill me in on a date
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Sometime before 2013 it seems and they have seen better days......


......and better maintenance......
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T-90S/T-90MS/T-55AM-2 status...

1. Have identified nine "bullet" info data points. Done

2. Identified all operators required changes. Done

3. India must confirm STEEL and HEAT why they are, what they are, go figure. Can confirm T-90MS is wrong. For now I know the START is incorrect by at least three years, also need to confirm ERA I am sure it should reflect Reliak and not Kontiak-5.

4. UGANDA T-55AM-2 START 06/2010. The picture you last submitted made me immediately think ERA looks more like Kontiak-1 then Kontiak-5. Have a good source chosen for this will evaluate and send on my recommendation for you to evaluate with it.

5. I'm NOT going to wait on the T-90S India issue to resolve itself before the clock runs out on me if it can't be done quickly.

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These things are looking a BIT rough.......

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Please use the first picture!! Obviously UGANDA has some major maintenance issues, anyway more to follow, however I recommend for now the following:
UGANDA/ADD/T-55AM-2/COPY/RUSSIAN T-55AMV/UNIT 016/START 06/2010/DELETE ATGM/THEY DIDN'T ORDER IT//The T-55AMV was the next upgraded version in the T-55 series from it's predecessor the T-55AM-1. The ERA is definitely Kontaik-1 which is what the T-55AMV had. The only ATGM ordered between 2005-2017 was the advanced KORNET-E/START 01/2014 IF YOU'RE FEELING "FROGGY"!?!.

It'll be reposted with more data when I submit the T-90 stuff.

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6/2010 is what I had already tentatively entered and I had not included ATGM. The ERA is single digit values now

I thought that second photo was great if you wanted a " well used" look. I will make a note not to buy second /third hand T-54/55's from Uganda......

OTOH a master modeller could have a field day with that photo to work from
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The T-90S is the export version of the Russian T-90. A total by this fall of 5 export countries will operate the T-90S India (Advanced type.), Algeria, Uganda, Iraq and this fall Vietnam (Standard type.) Data Points…

1. ROSOBOROEXPORT is the Russian State run military equipment sales unit.

2. The Night Vision specs for the base model are Detection Rng. 800m and Identification Rng. 700m.

3. ERA standard is Kontakt-5 and the numbers look right for this pkg.

4. All export units ordered have the SHTORA-1 “Soft Kill” System as far as I can tell.
http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/EQP/shtora.html

5. Standard equipped FCS does not support ATGM ops.

6. Only again, Russia and India have the advanced FCS/Optics the French made “CATHERINE”/”ESSA” systems and are capable of conducting ATGM ops. The first system is the same as used on the T-72 White Eagle tanks that Laos has just received, and is entered in the game for Nicaragua and Russia from someone, by someone else.

7. In my opinion the Ugandan T-90S is the closest to the standard I see, and will act as the base unit.

8. Where I used SIPRI for verification the time period was from 2005 – 2017 which covered all the issues involved. That raw information will be provided for each country below.

9. I’ve tried to verify a few times by now any evidence to support the fact that these other countries might be using one of the advanced systems as noted in #6 above, I’ve been unsuccessful in doing so.

10. START dates are good unless otherwise noted.

UGANDA/CHANGE/T-90S/UNIT 031/EW 2 VIRSS vice 0/VISION 35 vice 30/MG 125mm D81T 00 vice 125mm Gun 00//The base.
(44) T-90S Tank 2010 2011 44

IRAQ/ CHANGE/T-90S/UNIT 035/ EW 2 VIRSS vice 0/VISION 35 vice TI/GSR 40/DELETE M119M INVAR/FCS DOES NOT SUPPORT/FC 30 vice 35/STABILISER 5 vice 4/SURVIABILITY 5 vice 6//
To further verify this I used SIPRI the only Russian ATGM imported by IRAQ was both the AT-6 & AT-14.

ALGERIA/CHANGE/T-90S/UNIT 027/ EW 2 VIRSS vice 0/VISION 35 vice TI/GSR 40/DELETE M119M INVAR/FCS DOES NOT SUPPORT/FC 30 vice 35/STABILISER 5 vice 4/SURVIABILITY 5 vice 6//To further verify this I used SIPRI the only Russian ATGM imported by Algeria was both the AT-4 & AT-14.
185 T-90S Tank 2006 2006-2008 185 $1 b deal
(120) T-90S Tank 2011 2012-2013 (120) $470 m deal
(200) T-90S Tank (2014) 2015-2016 (200)

NORTH VIETNAM/CHANGE/T-90S/UNIT 033/START 10/2019 vice 06/2018/ EW 2 VIRSS vice 0/VISION 35 vice TI/GSR 40/DELETE M119M INVAR/FCS DOES NOT SUPPORT/FC 30 vice 35/STABILISER 5 vice 4/SURVIABILITY 5 vice 6//
First shipment arrived in Hanoi in 01/02/2019. To further verify this I used SIPRI and no Russian ATGM were imported by VIETNAM.
64 T-90S Tank 2017 Incl T-90SK version
https://www.janes.com/article/85463/...ive-in-vietnam
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...t-can-do-40962

India
will need further investigation I don’t understand why the STEEL and HEAT numbers do not match the above. I believe the current numbers are incorrect for the T-90S for India.

INDIA/CHANGE/T-90MS/UNIT 039/START 01/2022 vice 01/2019//SIPRI has no data on contracts (See VIETNAM above showing contract date.) or this tank in the time period (2005-2017) noted above. I believe they were signed in the fall of 2018. But this is India who stopped the ARJUN Mk 2 for the “desire” to acquire this tank as far back as 2012.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indi...armour-1640749
(2016-No APS system mounted per above.)
https://thediplomat.com/2017/01/indi...with-pakistan/
(2017-Still thinking about getting them.)
https://www.defensenews.com/land/201...russian-tanks/
(2017 We’ll try to develop our own APS.)
Then there’s nothing.

I also checked almost 2yrs. worth of articles from BROADSWORD run by a retired Col. of the Indian Army and currently a reporter with a major Indian newspaper, with negative results.
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/

Additional Refs. to support the above…
http://weaponsystems.net/weaponsyste...0-%20T-90.html
(General data at top of page worth overview look. Scroll down to the T-90A section read general descriptor, then click on each T-90A and T-90S tab with the focus being on “Night Vision” upper right.)
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/land-forces/tanks/t-90s/
(See para 7 not exactly a ringing endorsement of the onboard FCS optics. Again as demonstrated above except for India’s T-90S tanks, the others listed don’t have ATGM system support or even ordered them. Do note India is not “off the hook” on this matter. Those tanks will be treated as a separate issue, because after all, it is India and tanks we’re talking about here.)
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/land-forces/tanks/t-90ms/
(See para 2, note the use of “…multispectral sights…”, that is a ringing endorsement and I truly hope everyone understands why and what the difference means.)

Bonus tank due to search of the above.
UGANDA/ADD/T-55AM-2/COPY/RUSSIAN T-55AMV/UNIT 016/START 06/2010/DELETE ATGM/THEY DIDN'T ORDER IT//The T-55AMV was the next upgraded version in the T-55 series from its predecessor the T-55AM-1. The ERA is definitely Kontaik-1 which is what the T-55AMV had. Understand specs are ready for inclusion.
(23) T-55AM-2 Tank 2009 2009 23 Second-hand; delivered via Belarus
1000 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2010 2012-2013(1000) Kornet-E version
http://weaponsystems.net/weaponsyste...0-%20T-55.html

Miscellaneous Refs.
https://www.defencetalk.com/raytheon...-sensors-2307/
http://www.deagel.com/Armored-Vehicl...000516002.aspx
http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/...15m1a2sep3.pdf
http://www.benning.army.mil/Armor/eA...une2007web.pdf
(A very good article on the differences between UK & USA Armor tactics and training.)


Back to India later.

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I also adjusted ( if required.... ) the ammo loads after the ATGM was removed and the armour values for the India ones have been harmonized with the others

ALSO............ you need to go back, check your notes then check what the game actually does and be clearer

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CHANGE/T-90S/UNIT 035/ EW 2 VIRSS vice 0
EW 2 = CIWS 2 shots so do you want active systems or passive system? Passive methinks so if you want passive systems with 2 shots it is NOT EW 2.....its EW 4


I A**-U-ME you want 2 VIRSS in which case it needs to be reported as EW 4 (VIRSS) vice 0


This is sorta-kinda like

" If they fire one, we'll fire one"

" ONE FIRED SIR! "

and

" what we have here is a failure to communicate...."

if you ask EW be 2 that's active CIWS-- writing EW 2 VIRSS isn't clear give the way the game is set up and the way this was reported

I'm betting that was written late in the evening......






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