.com.unity Forums
  The Official e-Store of Shrapnel Games

This Month's Specials

ATF: Armored Task Force- Save $8.00
War Plan Pacific- Save $8.00

   







Go Back   .com.unity Forums > The Camo Workshop > WinSPWW2 > TO&Es
Notices


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old January 10th, 2009, 01:17 PM
iCaMpWiThAWP's Avatar

iCaMpWiThAWP iCaMpWiThAWP is offline
First Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Brazil/France/Somewhere over the Atlantic
Posts: 660
Thanks: 21
Thanked 30 Times in 19 Posts
iCaMpWiThAWP is on a distinguished road
Default French Paras in 1940?

There's a formation in the french oob(06) called Cie Inf d l'Air(129) they are PARATROOPERS, but in the 1937/1940 period there's no transport aircraft avaiable, weird isnt it? my question is where are the air transports? did any existed during this period?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old January 10th, 2009, 05:42 PM
DRG's Avatar

DRG DRG is offline
Shrapnel Fanatic
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: GWN
Posts: 12,286
Thanks: 3,822
Thanked 5,472 Times in 2,709 Posts
DRG will become famous soon enough
Default Re: French Paras in 1940?

Interesting...... I don't think this subject has been brought up before though those paras have been there for quite awhile

I did find some info LINK
Quote:
On paper there were two companies of French paratroopers in 1940, but they were not at full strenght. They were nevertheless considered "ready for action", and their deployment was planned as part of the Allied entry in the Netherlands, but eventually they were not dropped. Their "standard" plane was the Potez 650.
and

Quote:
They did see action as local commandos ("corps francs") during the phoney war, but did not do real combat paradrops in 1940. Paratroopers did not fit well in the general French defensive doctrine. If you have an invulnerable defensive line, why drop men ahead of it? And if you are fighting a delaying action in Belgium, what would be the point in dropping a couple hundred men behind the enemy lines? As a result, although they were created very early (1937), had plenty of training and had adequate equipment especially developped for them, there was no effort to turn them into an large, effective fighting force.

Eventually, many of these men did see action as paratroopers... in 1944, but then they were a Free French unit in the SAS.

It's been quite a while since these were put in and I'm betting transport was not provided simply becasue they fought on the ground only. The Icon for the aircraft is in the game however but only in Romanian markings and they were used by the Romanians as para transports

Don
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old January 10th, 2009, 08:24 PM
iCaMpWiThAWP's Avatar

iCaMpWiThAWP iCaMpWiThAWP is offline
First Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Brazil/France/Somewhere over the Atlantic
Posts: 660
Thanks: 21
Thanked 30 Times in 19 Posts
iCaMpWiThAWP is on a distinguished road
Default Re: French Paras in 1940?

Quote:
their deployment was planned as part of the Allied entry in the Netherlands but eventually they were not dropped.
but what if?
Still not worth creating a Potez 650 with load capacity to drop them around with, and an [A] formation just for what if battles
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old January 11th, 2009, 05:21 AM
PanzerBob's Avatar

PanzerBob PanzerBob is offline
First Lieutenant
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 733
Thanks: 74
Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts
PanzerBob is on a distinguished road
Lightbulb Re: French Paras in 1940?

Form a British Para Force and have the French Paras join the party. Let us know how that works out.

Bob out
__________________
Eternal War(gaming) PanzerBob



"Whenever in future wars the battle is fought, panzer troops will play the decisive role..."
Heinz Guderian, General der Panzertruppe
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old January 11th, 2009, 01:54 PM
cbo's Avatar

cbo cbo is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 300
Thanks: 1
Thanked 31 Times in 23 Posts
cbo is on a distinguished road
Default Re: French Paras in 1940?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DRG View Post
Interesting...... I don't think this subject has been brought up before though those paras have been there for quite awhile

It's been quite a while since these were put in and I'm betting transport was not provided simply becasue they fought on the ground only. The Icon for the aircraft is in the game however but only in Romanian markings and they were used by the Romanians as para transports

Don
There is some more here in one of David Lehmanns detailed articles:

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5999

Apprently they saw plenty of (ground-) action during the "Phoney War" but not much after May 1940.

Still, would be a nice "what-if" unit to have. :-)

They used both the Potez 652 and the Farmann 224:


http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance...SION=&MOTCLEF=


http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance...ION=0&MOTCLEF=

cbo
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old January 11th, 2009, 02:16 PM
iCaMpWiThAWP's Avatar

iCaMpWiThAWP iCaMpWiThAWP is offline
First Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Brazil/France/Somewhere over the Atlantic
Posts: 660
Thanks: 21
Thanked 30 Times in 19 Posts
iCaMpWiThAWP is on a distinguished road
Default Re: French Paras in 1940?

Quote:
Originally Posted by cbo View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRG View Post
Interesting...... I don't think this subject has been brought up before though those paras have been there for quite awhile

It's been quite a while since these were put in and I'm betting transport was not provided simply becasue they fought on the ground only. The Icon for the aircraft is in the game however but only in Romanian markings and they were used by the Romanians as para transports

Don
There is some more here in one of David Lehmanns detailed articles:

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5999

Apprently they saw plenty of (ground-) action during the "Phoney War" but not much after May 1940.

Still, would be a nice "what-if" unit to have. :-)

They used both the Potez 652 and the Farmann 224:


http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance...SION=&MOTCLEF=


http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance...ION=0&MOTCLEF=

cbo
So, no air insertions were done during the war?during the phoney war(SITZKRIEG?) they were employed as infantry or commandos?
btw, i wouldnt enter a plane like this, i think walking is safer
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old January 12th, 2009, 12:04 PM
DRG's Avatar

DRG DRG is offline
Shrapnel Fanatic
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: GWN
Posts: 12,286
Thanks: 3,822
Thanked 5,472 Times in 2,709 Posts
DRG will become famous soon enough
Default Re: French Paras in 1940?

Quote:
Originally Posted by iCaMpWiThAWP View Post

So, no air insertions were done during the war?
No.


Quote:
Originally Posted by iCaMpWiThAWP View Post
during the phoney war(SITZKRIEG?) they were employed as infantry or commandos?
No combat jumps at all

Don
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old January 12th, 2009, 01:09 PM
noxiousnic's Avatar

noxiousnic noxiousnic is offline
Private
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Montreal, Canuckistan
Posts: 15
Thanks: 7
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
noxiousnic is on a distinguished road
Smile On the Phony War (Slightly O/T)

Quote:
Apprently they saw plenty of (ground-) action during the "Phoney War" but not much after May 1940.
Funny (indeed) 'cause in French, that part of the war is known as "La drôle de guerre", which you guessed it, means the funny war

Phoney, funny
__________________
Be Kind. Everyone is fighting a hard battle
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old January 12th, 2009, 05:34 PM
DRG's Avatar

DRG DRG is offline
Shrapnel Fanatic
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: GWN
Posts: 12,286
Thanks: 3,822
Thanked 5,472 Times in 2,709 Posts
DRG will become famous soon enough
Default Re: French Paras in 1940?

What I'll probably do is add the transport into MISC for the next release ( no idea when that will be ATM ) and let people build their own para force if they so desire.

Don
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old January 19th, 2009, 06:00 AM

chuckfourth chuckfourth is offline
BANNED USER
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 474
Thanks: 4
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
chuckfourth is on a distinguished road
Default Re: French Paras in 1940?

They may not have been dropped as planned because they hadnt completed enough jumping training prior to the German invasion to "Qualify"
It might be a compromise approach to give them the normal infantry drop injury rate.
Best Regards Chuck.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:33 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2024, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.