Hand grenades

[PPoS]

Originally Posted by PvtJoker

That's very interesting, especially considering the kind of terrain large parts of the country has. Do you know if it was a budgetary issue or did someone high up just think that hand grenades are not that useful?

Your guess is as good as any. I do know that the Norwegian armed foreces suffered a lot from cutbacks made after the first WW, so that might have something to do with it. They also lacked AT-guns, SMG's, and land mines apparently.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Anyway, I suggest to rename Polish 86 Granat wz.24 Ob to "Granat obronny" (=defensive) without detailed mark designation, especially, that basic Polish defensive grenades were wz.33, introduced in 1933 only. Similarly 87 Granat wz.24 Za could be renamed to "Granat zaczepny" (=offensive). "Ob" and "Za" are not valid abbreviations.

Ob = obronny
Za = zaczepny

and both of those are just as "valid" ( maybe more so ) to the average player than

Granat obronny
or
Granat zaczepny

so the names are are staying as they are but the "Ob" gets range 1 and I will review the HEK values


Don

[Pibwl]

As you wish. But "wz..." designations should be removed from both, since there were several marks used: wz.23, wz.33 and WWI-vintage. Generic "obronny" and "zaczepny" will be therefore better, although I wouldn't mind names in English.

To me, both offensive and defensive grenades could be unified, since other OOBs have only one type of (strong) grenades. Besides, their numbers are probably too high - Polish Wikipedia gives an information, without source, that a soldier had two defensive and two offensive grenades (which seems to be applied in OOB), but in a detailed new book on an infantry regiment I've found an information, that there were two offensive and one defensive grenade. So maybe each soldier should just receive three generic grenades...

[zastava128]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Besides, their numbers are probably too high - Polish Wikipedia gives an information, without source, that a soldier had two defensive and two offensive grenades (which seems to be applied in OOB), but in a detailed new book on an infantry regiment I've found an information, that there were two offensive and one defensive grenade. So maybe each soldier should just receive three generic grenades...

Just for reference, I believe grenade numbers are supposed to be standardized, as per this thread: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=48570

"Hand grenades have been standardized at 2 grenades per man for regular line infantry, 3 grenades per man for elite or specialist infantry like Paratroops and 1 grenade per man for second rate units like militia or partisans"

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by zastava128

"Hand grenades have been standardized at 2 grenades per man for regular line infantry, 3 grenades per man for elite or specialist infantry like Paratroops and 1 grenade per man for second rate units like militia or partisans"

I thought so. That's OK - this proves, that they are too numerous in OOB.

[DRG]

All it "proves" when we built the program to standardize the Hand grenade loads we didn't take into account there were units given double hand grenades as weapons. 19 men x 2 = 38 and that's what you'll find in the Polish OOB for each weapon that is hand grenades except when they are given 2 loads so then you get 38x2.

48,000 units in the games and gee I forgot about a handful of units in the Polish OOB........now fixed