Re: Yet another planet capture problem
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I will play around some more to get some data and do some testing and report my results here and to MM. BTW how exactly did you test this? I will be trying to rule out as many variables as possible.

[edit: maybe this is an undesired byproduct of the change to kill WP's first during a planet capture???]

Slick.

[ February 12, 2003, 05:10: Message edited by: Slick ]

Re: Yet another planet capture problem
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't think so, my laptop SE Version is not yet patched and I always have seen the same issue. Planet capturing with or without bombardement resets planet cargo. Sats and mines are not launched during combat (maybe intended?) as far as I recall, just drones and fighters.

OTOH, what if planet cargo would be completely filled with units? Where do your troops go in this case?

Re: Yet another planet capture problem
 

at first glance I also thougt I had captured planets before with the cargo unaffected, but then i got to thinking, that those may have been surrendered planets, and not troop-taken planets. Not 100% sure about Sats in cargo either, sure I have captured planets via troops and kept the WPs, but anything else is in a grey area.

Re: Yet another planet capture problem
 

I have been taking planets in tactical lately (ie, in 1.84) without bombardment, and have noticed that all weapons platforms are destroyed in every case.

Re: Yet another planet capture problem
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Cargo storage can have more cargo than the limit. The troops just get added to the cargo area. Try building a Cargo Storage Facility, and then fill the planet with units. Scrap the facility, and all the units remain there and work fine. You can't add more, of course, and you can't just move one off and then back on. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif This only happens with Planet cargo, and not ship cargo. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Yet another planet capture problem
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, I see this nice feature also with an abbidon home planet with ex-extended cargo racial ability (proportions), it has now 18/15 facilities and I should better not scrap the cultural centers to free space for computer complex or similar.

I just fear a little chance of probably non-capturable full planets if this would be fixed because of a probably different combat cargo handling, probably like transfer from ship to planet. Most unlikely, but who knows.

Re: Yet another planet capture problem
 

Your dropped troops just overflow the cargo space of the planet, using up something like 15000/3000 (as an example). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Yet another planet capture problem
 

Problem? Just blat it with your orbiting spacecraft until the # of troops defending is low enough that you're sure of success!

Works for me... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
(Even in Proportions - where taking out Homeworlds is sometimes a /very/ slow and deliberate process!)
Steve.

Re: Yet another planet capture problem
 

Before I notify MM of this, are we all in agreement that cargo which is undestroyed by bombardment/combat during planet capture should be captured and turned over to the control of the conquering empire?

I can't think of any good reason to have the cargo destroyed. Obviously the intent of MM was to be able to capture the planet in as much of a useable condition as possible. If the intent of the defending empire was to use a "scorched earth" tactic, it surely would destroy facilities before cargo. Since this has never worked that way, I think this cargo thing is a bug.

Thoughts?

Slick.

Re: Yet another planet capture problem
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I wouldn't object to a few random units/ facilities being destroyed at random once in a while, but I don't think a 100% destruction rate of units is good.

Of course it would be best if Malfador made the fix moddable so anyone who wants to play it diferently still can (and modders have another toy to play with.)