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				 Minor Racial Traits 
 Anyone have any nifty ideas for minor racial traits? Or new tech trait areas? |  
	
		
	
	
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				 Re: Minor Racial Traits 
 Define 'nifty'... for that matter, define 'minor'! Racial abilities are going to be written into the game mechanics, so they can affect the whole game.     
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1) How about replacing 'hardy industrialists' slight boost in production capacity with a real change in ability? Let them build ships at any world without a space yard.
 
2) 'Non-respiratory' -- This is a race that does not need to breathe, like Silicoids in MOO, and so treats all atmospheres the same -- even None! Should probably be as expensive as "Emotionless" since it's another sort of immunity.
 
3) 'Xenophobe' -- More or less like in Moo, you have very limited diplomatic options but woul dget some racial points back to spend on other things.
 
4) 'Xenophage' -- this one is a bit nastier. Like the Kzinti, you regard other races as food. This woul allow 'harvesting' other races as a resource when you conquer their planets, but cause a very bad diplomatic reaction from other races.
 
5) 'Fragile' -- A race that is so physically delicate that it cannot engage in ground combat at all. Not able to use troops, and no militia appear to defend planets when invaded. If enemy can land troops on the planet, invasion is automatically successful. Should returns lots of racial points to be used on something else. (The Amon Krie are good candidates for this. How do worms operate battlemechs?)
 
6) 'anarchist' -- assuming that the 'seat of government' feature so many of us want is ever implemented, there can be a special trait to not need it just like there is currently a special trait to not need space ports.
			
			
			
			
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				May 10th, 2003, 06:19 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: Minor Racial Traits 
 All nice ideas. However as far as I see these new traits could only be implemented by hard-coded changes. |  
	
		
	
	
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				 Re: Minor Racial Traits 
 Addicts: A la Deep Space 9.  The race fights really well as long as their addiction is available, but if the chemical/TV/X-box is destroyed, all units and ships (and planets?) suffer horrible minuses to their functions.  This'll give them a moderate edge in combat, a definite defence against ship capture, but a really significant weak spot which can be exploited by other races.
 I've tried to do this without hardcoding, but the problem is that other races could capture the addictant (facility or otherwise) and recieve all the benefits but would suffer none of the limitations.
 
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				 Re: Minor Racial Traits 
 
	So? How else do you expect a racial trait to be implemented?Quote: 
	
		| Originally posted by Q: All nice ideas. However as far as I see these new traits could only be implemented by hard-coded changes.
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	Change the tech tree related to that item. Like for religious for example, to make a new racial trait just change some techs, add new techs to the tree, and make it so that only a certain racial trait can access that certain area. I know how to do it I just not good at explaining it.Quote: 
	
		| Originally posted by Baron Munchausen: So? How else do you expect a racial trait to be implemented?
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				 Re: Minor Racial Traits 
 Does anybody  use mechanoid  currently?  I think it would be great to add some additional abilities to the mechanoid trait to make it worthwhile.  Perhaps a hidden increase in their farming capacity to represent their lowered requirement for organics, with a slight rebalancing by decreasing their mineral and/or radioactive efficiencies?  Perhaps a ground combat bonus?
 
I dunno, but there has to be something better than they're simply immune to plagues... I've never bothered with plagues - gone right to the napalm   
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				 Re: Minor Racial Traits 
 for mechanoid.  how about special repair coponents for ship similiar to ability in moo. or giving their crew quarters the ability to repair 1 component each.question for racial traits.  can you give a single trait multiple abilities?  for mechanoid make it also a racial tech as well as the immunity to plagues.
 
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	So? How else do you expect a racial trait to be implemented?Quote: 
	
		| Originally posted by Baron Munchausen: 
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 All nice ideas. However as far as I see these new traits could only be implemented by hard-coded changes.
 |  I am sure you know that you can create a new racial technology without hard code change as long as you stick to the existing abilities. But you probably mean by "racial trait" what is specified in the racial trait folder as "advantage" with unique abilities.
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				 Re: Minor Racial Traits 
 Check out Mechanoids in Adamant mod.     
BM, I was more asking about ideas for traits that were possible to implement in SE4 without hard-code changes. Like Pack Rats, Big Thinkers, etc. |  
	
		
	
	
	
	
	
	
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