Someone cast Wolven Winter on New Orleans!

[Tifone]

Now we're so OT we can see the forum of the Guinness beer from here

[krpeters]

Originally Posted by llamabeast

Thanks, that's exactly what I've been meaning to say. i.e. regardless of the (enormously complex) details, we are definitely trapping more heat in the atmosphere (non-controversial I think?) and one way or another, that's bound to have some big effects. Big effects are most likely bad news.

This is where I think a lot of people are missing the boat... why is no one looking at global warming as an opportunity?

*Rapid* big effects are most likely bad news... but *slow* big effects can be great. Imagine Canada and Russia being as warm and fertile as North Carolina or France today! OK, yeah, Bangladesh might sink, but if we can get our act together we could invite all those Bangladeshi farmers to the fertile plains of Siberia to grow crops there instead...

It doesn't *have* to be a disaster if it's managed right!

[MaxWilson]

On Russian agriculture: http://bluishcertainty.blogspot.com/...riculture.html

In particular, Russia is trying to develop its agricultural industry: http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/weblo...e_sickles.html

-Max

[Executor]

"*Rapid* big effects are most likely bad news... but *slow* big effects can be great. Imagine Canada and Russia being as warm and fertile as North Carolina or France today! OK, yeah, Bangladesh might sink, but if we can get our act together we could invite all those Bangladeshi farmers to the fertile plains of Siberia to grow crops there instead..."

That depend on how much the sea level rises. Americas west coast, Indonesia, I'm sure there are some other places besides Bangladesh that would sink

[JimMorrison]

Besides the fact, you are at a net loss, without a doubt.

Let us forget about the insane cost to displace -billions- of people because their home is now inhospitable to human life.

Let's ponder the implications of those people having to migrate not just uphill, but into other people's lands. Can you even imagine how many people, how many population centers, would be directly and adversely affected by rising sea levels, in India and China alone? I am sure that all of those Russian farmers will be -so excited- when millions of starving, desperate, impoverished, and possibly diseased Chinese start pouring over their borders.

Maybe, have you given a thought to how many people in Europe, and in fact the entire world, live in coastal regions? Or perhaps how many people live in Mexico on the very edge of regional climactic extremes? What will the US do when Mexico has to move north or die? Will we just give them the lower states, and annex Canada?

If sea levels rise enough to begin threatening the lives, homes, and livelihoods of many millions of people, you can bet that it will only lead to war - and not just little pissy wars that America likes to start - a big war, that will necessarily involve everyone, and sadly probably degenerate to the point that someone like North Korea or Pakistan decides to go nuclear.


There is no silver lining to global climate change. Oh wait, there is one - if we annihilate our entire species, don't worry, because there will likely be enough genetic and organic material left over that another sentient species should evolve within 10-20 million years, I'm sure. That's a drop in the bucket, thankfully.

I just love the typical conservative attitude "well, if it's good for business today, it must be best for everything tomorrow!". Just fish around for some completely ignorant person to say that he is doing just as well or better than before, and suddenly you have a case for ignoring the ruination of the world. It has worked for us for at least a hundred years now, no reason to rock that boat, eh?

[Omnirizon]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

On Russian agriculture: http://bluishcertainty.blogspot.com/...riculture.html

In particular, Russia is trying to develop its agricultural industry: http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/weblo...e_sickles.html

-Max

whoa! so I can just write anything I want in a blog somewhere, and then I'm able to cite it as worthwhile opinion?

the internets is amazing!

[MaxWilson]

If anyone but Omni doesn't understand why I included a link to my own blog in response to krpeters' comments, I apologize and will try to be more clear next time.

[JimMorrison]

I must not be fun to argue with on this subject, no one wants to argue the validity of my points anymore.

[tgbob]

Looks like someone just cast Wolven Winter on the San Francisco bay area too.

[licker]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

I must not be fun to argue with on this subject, no one wants to argue the validity of my points anymore.

*chuckle*

What's the point in arguing?

If you want to enjoy some quality flame time I can point you to any number of lightly moderated places where you can get off your jollies.

I would imagine that any responses to your pointless and baseless fearmongering wouldn't be appropriate here.