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				 Question about cloaking 
 Has anybody tried to make different cloaking devices. If so, do different cloaking components on a ship work combined or is only one component active?E.g if I make a new tachyon cloak device with level 5 tachyon cloaking that cannot be defeated be any unmodified tachyon sensor but will be defeated by hyperoptics sensors and combine it with an other hyperoptic cloaking device level 5 that cannot be defeated by hyperoptic sensors but only by tachyon sensors on the same ship: can this ship be detected if I have both tachyon and hyperotic sensors in the system?
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				 Re: Question about cloaking 
 If any sensor in the system exceeds the corresponding cloak value, the ship is visible.
 If the ship has level 5 in all of the applicable cloaks, it cannot be detected without modding sensor strength.
 
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				 Re: Question about cloaking 
 SJ I am aware of this. My question is if the abilities of two different cloaking components are addiditive? |  
	
		
	
	
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				 Re: Question about cloaking 
 So you could not make a series of lvl 5 cloaks that only defend against one type of sensor?  If you had just one sensor strong enough to see one of the say 3 cloak components the ship would be visible, the other cloaks wouldn't back up the revealed one?  It seems a shame to have all these different sensors when they aren't really too different.How about a mine detector?  Or a super cloak whose detector is only available for sats and WP and bases, the cloak would be enourmous and $$ too but hey it could get you into the homeworlds.  Also, if you have a cloak, say stealth armor and you warp through a mined warp point where the enemy has no detection will you take a hit?  or can you slip through minefields like that?
 
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				 Re: Question about cloaking 
 If you have a, say, two cloaking devices, one that gives:
 Level 2 Active
 Level 3 Passive
 Level 5 Gravitic
 Level 3 racial
 
 and one that gives
 Level 4 Active
 Level 2 Passive
 Level 0 Gravitic
 Level 0 racial
 
 ("racial" is actually two different techs)
 
 If you have BOTH these devices on your ship, you'll have a combined cloaking ability of:
 Level 4 Active
 Level 3 Passive
 Level 5 Gravitic
 Level 3 Racial
 
 And be detected by level 4 active sensors, level 3 passive, level 5 gravitic, and level 3 "racial" (cloak level = or < sensors, detected)
 
 So yes, cloaks can be set to provide differing levels of protection against different kinds of sensors, and they CAN be combined.
 
 EDIT: and in other words, the ship in Q's example question would NOT be visible unless you had a sensor other than tachyon or hyper-optics.
 
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				 Re: Question about cloaking 
 Mines can "see" through any cloak.  The general idea is that your ship runs into the mines on its own.  (really only makes sense in warppoint/planet sectors, where they can be concentrated around the object). 
Mines are a poor man's cloak detector  
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