Arty Efectivnes and Z-Fire

[Dudi]

Is suppressive fire (key Z) connected to the ARTY EFFECTIVENESS in game prefferences ? When ARTY EFFECTIVENESS is set to 100% suppressive fire work normal but when I change ARTY EFFECTIVENESS to 1000% because it is the best realistic value in my opinion, suppressive fire become very deadly for infantry units, it can destroy all stacked units in just one fire action.

[Dion]

I often wondered that too, from my experience a 1,000% Arty Effectiveness makes it too easy to kill enemy units, even with suppressive fire, so I believe Z-fire is indeed connected with Arty Effectiveness. There's nothing wrong with a 100% Arty Effectiveness, as that should pin most units in just a few rounds, if not immediately.

If your experiencing unrealistic results with a 100% Arty Effectiveness, it could be caused by something else, like small caliber guns, and remember it's more common for artillery to cause the target to "hit the dirt" than cause KIA's. A lot of the big caliber guns cause KIA's pretty easy.

[Dudi]

100% is not realistic. 1 hex = 50 squer meters, yes ? Please check how big field it is in real world and place there 10 persons. In the game infantry is only pined down when 80mm mortar shell hit the hex. They don't have any chance on clear fields.

[Aeraaa]

The only unrealistic effect of artillery is that there is no increased chance of multiple kills if the first shell(s) hit the target. After that it is more or less realistic. 1000% is waay too lethal IMHO.

[Mobhack]

All indirect fires use the same routines - and Z-fire is indirect. That includes the artillery effect modifier so if you dial it up to 1000 its going to be rather lethal, indeed!.

[Dudi]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

All indirect fires use the same routines - and Z-fire is indirect. That includes the artillery effect modifier so if you dial it up to 1000 its going to be rather lethal, indeed!.

Thank you then the artillery parameters should be separated because machine gun fire is not artillery fire.

[Mobhack]

Area HE fire is still HE fire.

[Dudi]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

Area HE fire is still HE fire.

I know it's a game mechanic but it's stupid as hell

[Mobhack]

You choose the preferences level - its there for you or others to use, or not as they see fit.

I have never changed it (other than for testing) in 25+ years so there won't be any changes to code that has not needed changing in that amount of time to accommodate the 1% or less who decide to ram it up to such high levels.

[Dudi]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

You choose the preferences level - its there for you or others to use, or not as they see fit.

I have never changed it (other than for testing) in 25+ years so there won't be any changes to code that has not needed changing in that amount of time to accommodate the 1% or less who decide to ram it up to such high levels.

I fully understand you but it doesn't change the fact that the effectiveness of artillery should not affect the fire of machine guns because they are not artillery. This is the end of the topic Thank you all