New Strategy: Drones with Subverters ! - Page 2

Arkcon · #11 January 3rd, 2003, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by Cirvol:
is it just me or is the subverter too powerful a weapon?

i mean seriously, all the psychic race needs to do is match up destroyers vs battleships, 1 for 1, and win with subverters...

it seems WAY unbalanced imho, (i don't like using master computers, because they are expensive, and really only cost effective on ships larger than battleships)

It's just you.

Oh, I'm kidding. This comes up a lot. But it's not as easy as it looks. Combat still has to happen, ships must close and not be shot out, etc.

Just a little FYI, the master computer saves space in larger hulls and higher tech levels. And for baseship or starbase, with their 3 life supports and 3 crew quarters – MC actually costs less

DarkHorse · #12 January 3rd, 2003, 06:03 PM

I like to put subverters on satellites, then put a mountain of them at the warp points as a welcoming committee. "Welcome to the party folks, check your ships at the door". They work well on weapon platforms also, which extend their range even further than satellites do.

Edit: typo

[ January 03, 2003, 16:21: Message edited by: DarkHorse ]

Arkcon · #13 January 3rd, 2003, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by DarkHorse:
I like to put subverters on satellites, then put a mountain of them at the warp points as a welcoming committee. "Welcome to the party folks, check your ships at the door". They work well on weapon platforms also, which extend their range even further than satellites do.

Edit: typo

Yeah, you're smart enough to scrap what you can't afford. The AI doesn't, and soon chokes under it's own maintenance costs.

The drones and ships subvert what's already in enemy territory. So the AI can use them against you.

If someone insists on loading sats with the subverter ... I say, let him have some ships. Try 20 1 engine no weapon escorts. Or perhaps a dreadnought, 1 engine, lots of stellar manipulators ... no supply.

[ January 03, 2003, 18:23: Message edited by: Arkcon ]

Cirvol · #14 January 3rd, 2003, 08:35 PM

still, way to powerful

and frankly creates an umbeatable combo

subverters + talismans + computer virus (these go thru shields right? even phased?)

anyway, u could use a single gun of each type on a high ecm destroyer and take out fleets of dreadnoughts with this combo... total bs if u ask me

Phoenix-D · #15 January 3rd, 2003, 08:41 PM

"subverters + talismans + computer virus (these go thru shields right? even phased?)"

3000 racial points. A lot can be done with 3000 racial points..and you have to research both those before they can be used. Relgious players already risk early-game attack; a player with that combo is screaming "kill me now, before I get the weapons I need!"

Phoenix-D

Cirvol · #16 January 3rd, 2003, 08:46 PM

still, you wouldn't 'need' the religous tech...

good fleet/ship training and combat sensor 3 should be good enough

and then the subverter/computer virus combo wins everything

unfair, and unbalanced

Ragnarok · #17 January 3rd, 2003, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by Cirvol:

unfair, and unbalanced

Unfair: Maybe.
Unbalanced: Slightly.

But just as every other stratagy you can come up with there is almost always a counter. You could very easily devise a defense to counter the Religious/Virus/Subverter combo. Granted it is probably one of the harder combos to defend against but nevertheless, it is possible.

DarkHorse · #18 January 3rd, 2003, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by Arkcon:

If someone insists on loading sats with the subverter ... I say, let him have some ships. Try 20 1 engine no weapon escorts. Or perhaps a dreadnought, 1 engine, lots of stellar manipulators ... no supply.

If you want your best shipyard to spend 40 turns building that dread, knock yourself out! I've already won

Regardless, I only use the satellites against the AI, humans it would only work against once, maybe. The AI doesn't seem to be in any hurry to build master computers.

DarkHorse · #19 January 3rd, 2003, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Ragnarok:

quote:
Originally posted by Cirvol:

unfair, and unbalanced

Unfair: Maybe.
Unbalanced: Slightly.

But just as every other stratagy you can come up with there is almost always a counter. You could very easily devise a defense to counter the Religious/Virus/Subverter combo. Granted it is probably one of the harder combos to defend against but nevertheless, it is possible.

True, there's always a way. Can't beat their ships? Steal 'em with intel. Can't get by their satellites/mines/whatever? Make your own warp points. It may take a while, but there's a way around everything.

TerranC · #20 January 3rd, 2003, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by Cirvol:
still, you wouldn't 'need' the religous tech...

good fleet/ship training and combat sensor 3 should be good enough

and then the subverter/computer virus combo wins everything

unfair, and unbalanced

Not in the next patch (I think somebody said that already).

And how does that combo win everything? Subverters and Computer Viruses only have ranges of 5 and 6, respectively. Many powerful conventional weapons (WMG, CSM, APB) can beat them in a flash.