OT: Which is better: XP or 2000? > Another Piracy Discussion - Page 6

JayBdey · #51 November 28th, 2003, 08:13 AM

But your taking it from them. If murder isn't stealing then copyright infringement isn't. Anyway, this will have to continue later. I have to be going.

[ November 28, 2003, 06:14: Message edited by: JayBdey ]

Fyron · #52 November 28th, 2003, 08:25 AM

That is a horrible line of logic... copyright infringement is taking their intellectual property from them AND getting it for yourself. That is what stealing is, taking something from someone AND getting it for yourself (even if you give it to someone else...). Murdering someone is (in a gross misuse of the word take) "taking" someone's life, but you do not get their life in the process, just end it. So, it can not even possibly be considered to be any form of stealing.

SpaceBadger · #53 November 28th, 2003, 08:26 AM

Over the years I have been in this same (or very similar) argument many times in many venues. Always those who want to take something intangible that they did not create (software, artwork, fiction, etc) and use it (or redistribute it, or sell it) without paying for it (or beyond the scope of the creator's permission if the creator distributed it for free) want to say that what they are doing is not stealing. Always those who actually create such things take a somewhat different view. Gee, I wonder why?

Spacebadger

David E. Gervais · #54 November 28th, 2003, 01:13 PM

hmmm, interesting debate going on here..

Does "Software Piracy" = 'stealing'?

Well, if it is then 'technically' speaking "Software Pirates" are only guilty of pety theft, and the law is quite lienient in their punishment of 'Pety Theft'. (Heck, the fine for pety theft is lower than the cost many games in some places, in fact if you can't pay the fine they will give you a place to sleep and feed you a few meals for your crime.

)

"Software Piracy" is IMHO 'Copyright infringement' and involves the illegal use of intillectual property. 'Piracy' not only hurts the person who owns the copyright, but also hurts the game development industry. It also affects the tax dollar and therefore means that the government is also a victim which in turn means that society suffers the burden. Again, IMHO "Software Piracy" is NOT 'Stealing', It's much worse. There is no justification for "Software Piracy" period.

Nuf said, Cheers!

Suicide Junkie · #55 November 28th, 2003, 01:39 PM

Quote:

'Piracy' not only hurts the person who owns the copyright, but also hurts the game development industry. It also affects the tax dollar and therefore means that the government is also a victim which in turn means that society suffers the burden. Again, IMHO "Software Piracy" is NOT 'Stealing', It's much worse.

All the same can be said for physical theft of the same dollar value. If you want to use the "greater than" relation, that's not enough.

Fyron · #56 November 28th, 2003, 05:24 PM

Grand theft auto is still stealing... a matter of degree does not make something not be stealing.

DeadZone · #57 November 28th, 2003, 07:43 PM

Which is better, XP or 2000?

As I use both I think I shall say this

They are both a piece of monkey crap

Go Linux!!!

David E. Gervais · #58 November 28th, 2003, 07:44 PM

When I said "Piarcy is NOT 'Stealing', it's much worse." I obvoiusly failed to convey my feelings.

to use an analogy,.. to Steal = wet, to Pirate = Tidal Wave. Yes, to make everybody happy I must concur that a tidal wave is indeed wet. But it's so much more than 'just wet' calling it 'wet' does not do it justice.

see what I mean? no? ok then for the sake of not wanting to step on anyones toes, Piracy = Stealing. Further, stealing is a crime and all crimes should be punishable by death. (after all there is no 'degree' of crime, no 'gray area', you either do/did or don't/didn't where stealing is concerned. It makes perfect sense to have just one punishment for all crimes.)

If only life were that simple, there would be no need for lawyers.

babble, babble, boy I can sure babble.

Gryphin · #59 November 28th, 2003, 08:50 PM

Jaybday,
There are many reasons to be careful Pirating software.
First there is your conscience. You have to live with yourself
Second: There is the potential run in with hypocracy. If it is ok for you to Pirate software then you have to allow that it is ok if someone some day takes you work and passes it off as their own. You know, maybe a paper you did in school or a quaterly report for the office or a truly great photograph you took or.... You would have to be a good boy and not protest. You would not want to be a hypocrit now would you?
Thrid: You would like to be trusted. You know full well it is considered wrong. It is blatently unethical. The moment an ethical person knows you have Pirated software will they ever be able to trust you?

Cheating on a spouse vs Pirating - Some would say noone gets hurt in either case. So, is it ok if your girlfriend cheats on you? You wouldn't mind would you? I mean what's the big deal? No one got hurt did they?
Your call.

se5a · #60 November 28th, 2003, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David E. Gervais:
When I said "Piarcy is NOT 'Stealing', it's much worse." I obvoiusly failed to convey my feelings.

to use an analogy,.. to Steal = wet, to Pirate = Tidal Wave. Yes, to make everybody happy I must concur that a tidal wave is indeed wet. But it's so much more than 'just wet' calling it 'wet' does not do it justice.

see what I mean? no? ok then for the sake of not wanting to step on anyones toes, Piracy = Stealing. Further, stealing is a crime and all crimes should be punishable by death. (after all there is no 'degree' of crime, no 'gray area', you either do/did or don't/didn't where stealing is concerned. It makes perfect sense to have just one punishment for all crimes.)

If only life were that simple, there would be no need for lawyers.

babble, babble, boy I can sure babble.

no grey area?
himnnn
ok what about abandon ware.
stuff that is still copywrigted but you cant buy it anywhere, is no longer being published, etc. etc. but coppying it is still (by law) ilegal.