The Daily Iraq errors report

[Marcello]

Unit 550: BM-13 Katyusha
Wrong initial availability date: currently it is 1/1950. It should be 2/1959, like the initial availability dates of the formations
which use it (formations 245-246-247) .

Unit 553: Impr SP RL
Some suggestions for change:
1) Final availability date be extended to 12/2010 or 12/2020
2) Rearm it with weapon n. 215, 107mm rockets (smaller, easier to conceal and more common in Iraq)

Here is a real world example for inspiration.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/r...f/fbc2.jpg?o=0

Formation 245: SP Rocket Bn
Formation 246: SP Rocket Bty
Final availability date is currently 12/2004. It should be changed to 4/2003. Insurgents rocket launchers were used piecemeal.
Also formation 246 initial availability date should be extended back to 2/1959 from current 1/1960.

Formation 247: SP Rocket Pl
Final availability date is currently 12/2004. It should be changed to 12/2010 or 12/2020

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by Marcello

Some notes about SAMs
Unit 380: SA-9 Strela-1
Wrong initial availability date: now it is 1/1978 but according to SIPRI the system was delivered in 1982.

Sorry I just realized misread my notes on it.Leave it 1978.

[Marek_Tucan]

Originally Posted by Marcello

Some notes about SAMs

Unit 374: SA-6 Kub
Wrong initial availability date: now it is 1/1970 but it should be 1/1978. The formations which use it are available from 1/1978
and the system was indeed delivered about that date. Final availability date could be restricted to 12/110
(unit 46 Avenger HMMWV is available from 1/2011)

Are there plans to retire Kub (if it is still in IA service)? I would think it can be relatively cheaply upgraded same way as Czech or Polish Kubs, IE better ECM resistance, Western IFF etc...?

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by Marek_Tucan

Are there plans to retire Kub (if it is still in IA service)? I would think it can be relatively cheaply upgraded same way as Czech or Polish Kubs, IE better ECM resistance, Western IFF etc...?

It isn't in service. There are no SAMs in service in the current Iraqi Army, just like there are no artillery pieces beyond 120mm mortars, no ATGMs (and for certain periods in the past, no tanks, no APCs, no armored cars etc.). Something will be fielded at some point but what and when is unknonw.
In game terms that means that would mean new sets of formations for almost everything, often set at speculative dates subject to constant modifications, and revised picklists.
That is a lot of work for the guys in charge, so some units are left as gap fillers in some formations.
In real life at least some seemingly intact SA-6 systems and missiles were captured in 2003, but they were destroyed by the EOD guys. See link:

http://www.defenseimagery.mil/assetD...afa5ed8812cd41

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Marcello

Unit 550: BM-13 Katyusha
Wrong initial availability date: currently it is 1/1950. It should be 2/1959, like the initial availability dates of the formations
which use it (formations 245-246-247) .

Unit 553: Impr SP RL
Some suggestions for change:
1) Final availability date be extended to 12/2010 or 12/2020
2) Rearm it with weapon n. 215, 107mm rockets (smaller, easier to conceal and more common in Iraq)

Here is a real world example for inspiration.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/r...f/fbc2.jpg?o=0

Formation 245: SP Rocket Bn
Formation 246: SP Rocket Bty
Final availability date is currently 12/2004. It should be changed to 4/2003. Insurgents rocket launchers were used piecemeal.
Also formation 246 initial availability date should be extended back to 2/1959 from current 1/1960.

Formation 247: SP Rocket Pl
Final availability date is currently 12/2004. It should be changed to 12/2010 or 12/2020

Marcello

Just one comment here. If the formation start date or end date is correct and the unit start or end dates spill over those limits it's not an issue from a game POV but I can understand it from a "keep it tidy" POV

Also, the Rocket Bty ( formation 246) in this case has a start date 10 months later than the Rocket Pl for the same reason the Bn is later than the Bty becasue it's assumed the larger formations didn't develop the moment the rocket launchers were unloaded.

Don

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by DRG

Marcello

Just one comment here. If the formation start date or end date is correct and the unit start or end dates spill over those limits it's not an issue from a game POV but I can understand it from a "keep it tidy" POV

Largely true, but they still do show up as upgrade options in campaigns. OK maybe no big deal, but it also helps while going throught the OOB checking what is right and what isn't.
However if you are hard pressed for time leave them alone, they are not a big deal.

Originally Posted by DRG

Also, the Rocket Bty ( formation 246) in this case has a start date 10 months later than the Rocket Pl for the same reason the Bn is later than the Bty becasue it's assumed the larger formations didn't develop the moment the rocket launchers were unloaded.
Don

Agree about the battalion but in regards to the battery, which was the one I suggested to be modified, I would doubt. Batteries are the basic unit for artillery organizations in general (even if split in platoons in some TOEs) and MRLS are typically used in in numbers anyway. Still no big deal, given it's just a few months.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Marcello

OK maybe no big deal, but it also helps while going throught the OOB checking what is right and what isn't.

Let me know if there was actually anything at all "right" about this OOB when we're done

Originally Posted by Marcello

However if you are hard pressed for time leave them alone, they are not a big deal.

Already fixed

Don

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by DRG

Let me know if there was actually anything at all "right" about this OOB when we're done
Don

It looks OK for a 1995-1996 research job on a shoestring budget.
Even now decent data on the iraqi army is very hard to come by. I have been collecting the available pieces of info since 2002, my pet project basically.

[Marcello]

Some notes on SP ATGMs

Formation 297: 3 SP ATGM

Suggested changes:
1)Final date should be restricted to 4/2003 (there are others SP ATGM formations available after that anyway, such as n. 185 and n. 186)
2)Initial availability date to be set to 1/1973, which SIPRI lists as the year of delivery for the first ATGM BRDM variant
Based upon what I read about Sagger proliferation 1/1973 seems about right.
3)Another unit to be added, so that this formation has four ATGM BRDMs. According to the "The Iraqi Army: Organization and Tactics" several formations employed antitank variants of BRDMs in groups of four.

Unit 260 and 226: BRDM-2 Malutka
Availability dates should be changed to 1/1973-4/2003 from current 1/1970-12/2004

Unit 261: BRDM-2 Konkurs
Final availability date should be restricted to 4/2003

Unit 228: VCR/TT HOT
According to SIPRI and others sources it was delivered starting around 1979-1981 while currently it is only available since 1985.
Also current final date is 1989, which is somewhat early. It could be extended to 4/2003 or maybe even 12/2010 by using it
as a gap filler in the formations.

Unit 604: M901 ITV
In light of the above its initial availability date could be pushed forward to 1/2011. As noted no such units are currently in service

Unit 288 and 293: BRDM-2
Current inital availability date is 1/1975
Based on several sources its initial availability date should be pushed back somewhat, I suggest 1/1970.

[Marcello]

Some notes on SP mortars

According to SIPRI the first self propelled mortars were delivered in 1983, these were 240mm 2S4 and modified MT-LB.

Formation 170: SP Mortar Bty
Formation 171: SP Mortar Pl
Initial availability date to be changed to 1/1983 from current 1/1975

Unit 220: MT-LB/82
Availability dates should be changed to 1/1983-4/2003 from current 1/1975-4/2020

Unit 221: MT-LB/120
Availability dates should be changed to 1/1983-4/2003 from current 1/1975-12/2020

Unit 223: 2S1-240
Initial availability date should be changed to 1/1983

Unit 222: T-54/160
Initial availability date should be changed to 1/1983 or later

Unit 218: Mortar Truck
Final availability date should be pushed forward to 12/2020, so that it can be used as gap filler in the formations.
I also suggest an icon change to icon n. 2962

Eventually, if you have the time to spare, some M113 based mortar carrier could be added with an availability date of 1/2011or similar. Unit 33 of obat 12 USA could be a good candidate.