US Navy question

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This is a question for the naval experts


Right now in the game the 16inch naval guns are available until 3/92 in the USMC OOB ( that matches the Missouri's decommissioning) and 12/95 in the US OOB.

I was digging around and found info that suggests that although the Iowa class battleships were not in active service they WERE kept ready to use until March 2006. Had they been needed they could have been used

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Don

[Suhiir]

USS Iowa (BB 61) - Recommissioned 25 Aug 1951, decommissioned again 24 Feb 1958. Recommissioned again 28 Apr 1984, decommissioned last time 26 Oct 1990. Berthed in Suisan Bay, San Francisco, Calif., 21 April 2001.

USS New Jersey (BB 62) - Recommissioned at Bayonne 21 Nov 1950, decommissioned again 21 Aug 1957. Recommissioned at Philadelphia 6 Apr 1968, decommissioned again 17 Dec 1969. Recommissioned at Long Beach, Calif., 28 Dec 1982, decommissioned last time 8 Feb 1991. On 20 Jan. 2000, SECNAV announced donation to Home Port Alliance of Camden, N.J., for use as a museum.

USS Missouri (BB 63) - Recommissioned in San Francisco 10 May 1986, decommissioned again 31 Mar 1992. Located 1,000 yards from the Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor, Missouri was opened as a museum 29 Jan. 1999.

USS Wisconsin (BB 64) - Recommissioned 3 Mar 1951, decommissioned again at Bayonne on 8 Mar 1958. Recommissioned again on 22 Oct 1988, decommissioned for the final time on 30 Sep 1991. Moored at the National Maritime Center, Norfolk, Va., 7 Dec. 2000, the centerpiece of a four-part naval history exhibit. Wisconsin opened to the public on 16 Apr 2001.

The USS Iowa (BB 61) and USS Wisconsin (BB 64) while not currently active have not been converted into museums. So could be recommissioned fairly easily.

[shahadi]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

USS Iowa (BB 61) - Recommissioned 25 Aug 1951, decommissioned again 24 Feb 1958. Recommissioned again 28 Apr 1984, decommissioned last time 26 Oct 1990. Berthed in Suisan Bay, San Francisco, Calif., 21 April 2001.

USS Wisconsin (BB 64) - Recommissioned 3 Mar 1951, decommissioned again at Bayonne on 8 Mar 1958. Recommissioned again on 22 Oct 1988, decommissioned for the final time on 30 Sep 1991. Moored at the National Maritime Center, Norfolk, Va., 7 Dec. 2000, the centerpiece of a four-part naval history exhibit. Wisconsin opened to the public on 16 Apr 2001.

The USS Iowa (BB 61) and USS Wisconsin (BB 64) while not currently active have not been converted into museums. So could be recommissioned fairly easily.

Here is the USS Wisconsin, aka "Wisky" in Norflok, Va:



And the "Big Stick" USS Iowa in the Suisun Bay at the Suisun Bay Reserve Fleet:





Suisun Bay can be entered from the San Francisco Bay, once pass the refineries at Richmond, continue through the San Pablo Bay to the Suisun Bay, where the fleet is berthed on the North. It is a nice and at times challenging sail from the City.

Too many memories.

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Don,
The only Battleship that could've possibly have fit that date would have been the USS IOWA. It was struck from the Fleet Reserve roster for the last time in 2005. In 2006 it's status was changed to Donation Status, several cities had vied for it and dropped out until Los Angeles, Ca. finally met all the requirements to acquire it. The IOWA museum was opened to the public in Dec. 2011. But we sit here at the end of 2014; so the historical record cannot be denied at this point, that being said and with the official naval record provided below, the last effective date the 16 inch guns were available for naval use would've been 31 March 1992 when the last battleship on active service the USS MISSOURI was Decommissioned for the last time. That is the date I would use. You must understand unless there is a direct transfer of a U.S. Naval ship to a foreign power (And even then they get decommissioned and stripped of all sensitive and classified equipment.) the process is even more extensive for a decommissioned ship in the "mothball fleet". But they are maintained fully until donated, scrapped or at rare times sold. All surviving ex-USN Battleships are in MUSEUM STATUS.
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/ships/b...ps/bb-list.asp
http://www.pacificbattleship.com/

For the folks that understand Naval customs...my connection with the USS MISSOURI is that my retirement flag (Given to me on the USS PROVIDENCE SSN-719 when I transferred.) after being flown at four other locations was in the home stretch to getting back to me for my retirement ceremony in mid-July 2002. In mid-May 2002 they flew my flag and sent it back to me. Well I received the wrong flag as mine indicated on the white border the dates and locations of the previous sites. We would find out that three flags were flown that day two for funerals and my retirement one. So someone was buried or cremated with my flag I just hope they were Navy, a Marine or Army veteran sent to his maker in a Naval Flag would never live that down in Heaven!?! Anyway after several calls they felt the only way to make it right was to pull a flag from the MISSOURI flag locker, I was honored by this gesture given the ships history (The Japanese surrendered to Gen. MacArthur on this ship in WWII.). They resent the flag to the previous locations and on to the USS ARIZONA Memorial and finally Gettysburg where it flew on July 4th 2002. I look at it with pride everyday in my "Shadow Box".

Have a Merry Christmas with many happy wishes of the season to all!

Regards,
Pat

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I've had a very busy day today so I didn't have a chance to check this but, the USN is also still using the 5 inch gun currently both the MK 45 Mod 2 5/54 & MK 45 Mod 4 5/62 inch guns. The MK45 Mod 0 entered service in 1971 with the later Mod 4 gun developed for better shore fire support. There has been some confusion about this when the 76mm (3 inch) guns came into use. Generally the single mount guns are on the DDG 51 & CG 47 Class ships the latter with 2 mounts. The newer ships in each class carry the Mod 4 5/62 guns. The magazine load is 600Rds conventional with an ROF of 16-20Rds per minute in auto mode.
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_di...0&tid=575&ct=2

Pics:

DDG-51


CG-47

Wouldn't be nice to use more ship pictures where we can; just a thought.

In the spirit of the season; my favorite sea command the USS PROVIDENCE SSN-719 at the North Pole to mark the 50th anniversary of the USS NAUTILUS SSN-571 journey as the first submarine to go under the Pole fully submerged. The boat had a visitor back to his normal weight awhile after his Christmas run.
Attachment 13357

Regards,
Pat

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Here's the last picture; it didn't upload properly and the "clock" ran out.


Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

....... the USN is also still using the 5 inch gun currently both the MK 45 Mod 2 5/54 & MK 45 Mod 4 5/62 inch guns. Regards,
Pat

Unit 162 US OOB goes to 2020 but Unit 162 in the USMC OOB didn't until 3 minutes ago......

Don

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Generally the single mount guns are on the DDG 51 & CG 47 Class ships the latter with 2 mounts.

Currently we have:

5in Naval Gun A (1946-1975) triple mount, ROF=7, Rng=210
5in Naval Gun B (1976-2011) dual mount, ROF=8, Rng=215
6.1in AGS NG (2012-2020) triple mount, ROF=6, Rng=218

Background Data:

5"/45 Mk 45 Mod 0 thru 2 (available 1971)

5"/62 Mk 45 Mod 4 (available 2000)
Starting with DDG 81, 5"/62 Mk 45 Mod 4 is being forward-fit to U.S. Navy DDG 51 Class destroyers. Other Mod 4 applications include installations for the fleets of South Korea, Japan and Denmark.

6.1in/62 AGS (available not as of 2014)

Defense News reported in a 22 July 2008 article that the USN appears ready to halt the DDG-1000 program at only two ships - which was already down from the originally planned 32 ships - and to instead build eight to eleven up-rated Arleigh Burke DDG-51 class destroyers, construction of which had been slated to end in 2012. The same article states that the Navy is investigating using the SPY-3 radar system and the AGS gun on these new DDG-51 destroyers.

So I'd propose:

5in Naval Gun A (1946-1970) triple mount, ROF=7, Rng=210
5in Naval Gun B (1971-1999) dual mount, ROF=8, Rng=215
5in Naval Gun C (2000-2020) dual mount, ROF=8, Rng=218 (replacing the 6.1in AGS)

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

You both are ahead of me with the naval gun issue on the whole, but if the USN cites the minimum ROF Per Minute in auto (loader) mode at 16 and maximum ROF Per Minute in auto mode at 20; shouldn't the proposed ROF be higher then 8?
Again the technical issues of the game I leave to folks like you guys for these kind of issues. I understand the hard data submitted has to work within the turn/game clock to reach the final sum of all.
I suspect the difference/range (16-20 ROF) stated by the USN ref. submitted is the difference between the MK45 Mod 2 and
MK45 Mod 4

Below it's noted that the USN is using an extended (20NM) range cargo round on the MK45 Mod 4 gun. Also noted is that South Korea, Japan and Denmark are using the same gun. It is likely they probably used the earlier Mod 2 and possibly 0 as well as these guns can be both upgraded to the Mod 4 configuration.
http://www.baesystems.com/product/BA...%3Dsmuhwe0nh_4

The next two come from the Naval Weapons SYSCOM what's useful is the country user data in the second note Britain's choice 45 Class destroyers, those a 4.5" gun.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_5-54_mk45.htm
http://weaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_5-62_mk45.htm

Highlighted data provides links to the other guns noted.

I've done enough "damage" for now so...Thanks for taking this on.

Now back too issues at work, transition issues/new contractor to deal with; hopefully winding down.

Regards,
Pat

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A better second Ref. from NAVWEASYSCOM one above was broke when I checked and of course the edit clock ran out on me. To my UK friends I apologize, that would correctly be the TYPE 45 Destroyers, I have both known and worked with members mostly of the Submarine community and I have a deep respect for their character and professionalism. And I learned that beyond "social" drinking to never challenge them to "drinking games/or contests" even at their invitation !
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_5-62_mk45.htm

Again links highlighted.

Regards,
Pat