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				Does "Change Bad Intelligence Chance - System" now really work with the new patch?
	
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		I installed the new patch and used my old savevegame I had to test the "Change Bad Intelligence Chance - System" ability: In a system with a facility that should reduce the chance by 90% I had an attack with three intel projects (cargo maintenance). All three projects succeded as it was before the new patch. 
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				Re: Does "Change Bad Intelligence Chance - System" now really work with the new patch?
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		I asked Aaron questions via email related to this Last week. Hopefully on Monday he will answer my latest email... I will post his response once he does.     
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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				Re: Does "Change Bad Intelligence Chance - System" now really work with the new patch?
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		I wonder if this ability just reduces the chance for intel to select that specific system when "Any" is selected as the target.. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				 Bad Event Chance decreases that chance that system will be picked for a  
bad event. Basically, if the system is chosen, and the ability is present,  
then a re-roll occurs. If the system is picked again a second time, it  
actually gets hit with the event.  
 
Bad Intel Chance decreases the chance of bad a bad intelligence event in  
that system. If another player chooses and intelligence project which  
randomly picks a system, then this will cause it to re-roll if the system  
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				 So if you build the Fate Shrine in every system, it is useless? For 
Intelligence projects, anyways. It does not actually have a chance for the 
event/intel project to fail, but just shifts the target elsewhere? This 
seems to be fairly useless to me for Intel Projects. Events might be 
transferable to a different empire, so that could be useful. But Intel 
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		Thank you for this information Fyron. I explains what I have seen (because the intel projects were targeted to this system). However as you stated this mechanism of action reduces the usefulness of this ability greatly. I supposed that if you have a facility with this ability in the system it will simply cancel the effect of any intel project in this system in x% of the cases (x being the amount of the reduction). If the intel project is just redirected to an other system and if targeted projects are not inhibited, then I doubt that it will be very useful. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		It looks like a "saving throw." If it's selected, the facility causes a second roll. If your system fails the roll, the event occurs. If the system passes the roll, it sounds like the event fails and doesn't keep looking for a system. I await (your posting of) Aaron's clarification, however. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		If it just diverts it, then you just need a colony in a system to let them beat up. Name it "Bite Me" or something. It could just be a Tiny moon with nothing worth killing on it. 
 
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				Originally posted by Q: 
 I installed the new patch and used my old savevegame I had to test the "Change Bad Intelligence Chance - System" ability: In a system with a facility that should reduce the chance by 90% I had an attack with three intel projects (cargo maintenance). All three projects succeded as it was before the new patch. 
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 I had in mind in a PBW game to take out the nasty  
missile WPs with Cargo maintenance Intel project prior invasion. I had set up a testbed for this purpose to determine how many projects i need to take out a certain amount of WPs. The attacked planet had 8 WPs and 12 sats in cargo the message in both empires says that units are destroyed, but unfortunately looking into cargo the WPs and Sats are still there. Of course i tried it several times with single and multiple Intel attacks the same turn, no result at all.  
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		I tried the same thing, and it didn't work either. I am not sure why though. Does it mean this project is broken, or it is too weak to destroy a weapon platform with a single project? As the "Effect Amount" is 1, I would believe the project cannot work properly as for now, but I may be wrong. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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 I tried the same thing, and it didn't work either. I am not sure why though. Does it mean this project is broken, or it is too weak to destroy a weapon platform with a single project? As the "Effect Amount" is 1, I would believe the project cannot work properly as for now, but I may be wrong. 
			
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 Well, cargo bomb has also Effect amount 1 and is working properly, 8 WPs and 12 sats are killed with one Intel project. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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