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		What long-term gains can be had if you are dead?     
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		Plenty, in my opinion. But I'm not an athiest. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		And that could be a good thing! Think about it. The only way an athiest could exisit (as themself) is if there is a God. If there were no God, you wouldn't have athiest's!!!   WOW, is he good or what?      
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		I'm assuming that was meant as a joke from the   , cause the illogic makes my head hurt.    
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		Of course, it's a circular argument.  There's no way to prove or disprove the existence of God.  That's why religion is based on faith. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		Technically, there is no way to 'prove' anything. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		Tell that to mathematicians! 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		Prove mathematics! 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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And it is quite easy to prove things, as long as all parties involved accept the axioms of logic and all the premises used in the proof. The hard part is most people have no understanding of the axioms of logic (hence logical fallacies abound) and there is little agreement to be found regarding several premises.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		This is the kinda stuff that Philosophers and mathematicians are good at! 
If you bought: 
1. $1000.00 of Nortel stock one year ago, it would now be worth $49.00.
 
2. Enron, you would have had $16.50 left of the original $1000.00.
 
3. WorldCom, you would have had less than $5.00 left.
 
4. But, if you had purchased $1,000.00 worth of beer one year ago, drank all the beer, then turned in the cans for the aluminum recycling REFUND, you would have earned $214.00.
 
Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle.
 
See, and you thought all that math was junk?      
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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