Battalion TOE Thread

[MarkSheppard]

NOTE: These are not, repeat, NOT intended to be "Corrections" for SPCAMO's stuff. They are intended to help you set up realistic large scale battles, by using existing SPCAMO TOEs.

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From the NATO 1989 OBAT done by Andy Johnson

US Mechanized Infantry Battalion 1989
1 x HQ Company ( 2 x M113s, 3 x M577s, 8 x M113 Ambulances, 3 x M88s, 2 x AVLBs)
4 x Mech Infantry Companies
1 x AT Company (12 x M901s)
1 x Mech Recon Platoon
1 x Mortar Platoon (6 x M106s)

US Tank Battalion 1989
1 x HQ Company ( 2 x M113s, 3 x M577s, 8 x M113 Ambulances, 3 x M88s, 2 x AVLBs)
4 x Tank Companies
1 x Mech Recon Platoon
1 x Mortar Platoon (6 x M106s)

US Light Infantry Battalion 1989
1 x HQ Company (8 x Hummers, 6 x Hummer Ambulances)
3 x Light Infantry Companies
1 x Anti-Tank Company (12 x TOW Humvees)
1 x Light Recon Platoon
1 x Mortar Platoon (4 x 81mm Mortars, 5 x HMMWVs)

US Ranger Battalion 1989
1 x HQ Company
3 x Ranger Companies
1 x Ranger Recon Platoon
1 x Mortar Platoon (4 x 81mm Mortars, 5 x HMMWVs)

US Air Cavalry Regiment 1989
1 x HQ Troop (8 Humvees, 6 Humvee Ambulances, 1 x OH-58C, 3 x EH-60s, 18 x UH-60As)
3 x Air Cav Troops (6 x OH-58Cs and 4 x AH-1Fs each)
2 x Attack Troops (6 x AH-1Fs or 6 x AH-64As + 4 x OH-58As)

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More to come later. I also have a copy of Isby's ARMIES OF NATO'S CENTRAL FRONT which is quite detailed on this for the other NATO armies... it was written in 1985, which should be good for all you budding cold warriors.

[wulfir]

MarkSheppard said:
More to come later. I also have a copy of Isby's ARMIES OF NATO'S CENTRAL FRONT which is quite detailed on this for the other NATO armies... it was written in 1985, which should be good for all you budding cold warriors.

Very interesting!

Does it have OOBs for countries like Norway and Denmark too? (just curious, I understand they are not exactly Central Front...)

[Epoletov_SPR]

Look here.

US INFANTRY BATTALIONS OF THE COLD WAR 1950-90

US ARMOR AND CAVALRY BATTALIONS OF THE COLD WAR 1950-90

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[loktarr]

To Wulfir:
I asked for NATO Obats a while ago, here is the link:
http://collinsj.tripod.com/wargaming.htm
if I'm not wrong here is what you need , both Norway and Denmark..., Marcello gave this link, so he may have more informations...

[MarkSheppard]

Does it have OOBs for countries like Norway and Denmark too? (just curious, I understand they are not exactly Central Front...)

It does mention the Danish Jutland Division briefly.

[Suhiir]

I've been in the process of "correcting" the USMC OOB for some time now, I was just about done when v3.0 was released so I have to check all my alterations VS the new OOB.

The "corrections" are mostly giving X3 radio codes to some weapon systems that as far as I can tell we never had (retired Jarhead here), such as the M24 Chaffee, M36 Jackson, M42 Duster, 20mm Vulcan, M548 Ammo Carr, and such.

But mostly creating "proper" combined arms TO's for the platoons and companies.

Each Infantry Company has a Weapons Platoon with (currently) 6 M60/M240 machineguns, and 6 LAW/SMAW whatever they're using this week, anti-tank teams, and 3 60mm mortars. The MG and AT teams are ALWAYS parceled out to the line platoons in the field, about 90% of the time each platoon gets 2 X MG and 1 X AT team. The other 3 AT teams are kept in reserve and used to bolster whichever area is most threatened by or the most likely approach by armored units. The mortars are never given to the platoons but form a "pocket artillery" battery at company level.
Each battalion has a Weapons Company with 50 cal's, auto grenade launchers, Dragon ATGM's, and 81mm mortars which are also ALWAYS given out to the companies (except the mortars).

Since the game won't let you cross-attach units (except in the editor) you get to deal with command/control problems or wind up deploying the Weapons Platoon en-mass.

Sorry for going into detail here but I don't recall how many time's I've had to explain to someone in the Army that just because US Marines TO&E doesn't list MG's and AT weapons at platoon level doesn't mean they're not there, we just keep them in a separate unit for garrison and training purposes.

[loktarr]

Suhiir said:
Since the game won't let you cross-attach units (except in the editor) you get to deal with command/control problems or wind up deploying the Weapons Platoon en-mass.

Yes you can! In acampain, you can use the attach to new leader command if I'm not wrong.

[DRG]

loktarr said:


Yes you can! In a campaign, you can use the attach to new leader command if I'm not wrong.

You can cross attach formations not individual units so if you have a weapons platoon you can only re-attach the whole formation to another leader. You cannot divide up the mortars to one leader, the MG's to another and attach the ATGM's to a third formation

Don

[pdoktar]

Should we be making a bit different weapons platoons, because usually the tactical situation needs for different types of heavy weapons for different platoons / companies. Say, you need the hvy platoons ATGMs under a different rifle platoons, than the machine guns. C&C becomes even harder, if those platoons have also mortars, Inf-SAM etc.

So could those weapons platoons be cut into separate units, like 1 MG and 1 ATGM, or 2 ATGM and 2MG, and a different mortar/SAM/AT section. I know that you can purchase these units separately (I always do that), but since there are weapons platoons, why couldn´t they be made to operate as such, reinforcing where needed? Now to me they seem useless to purchase.

[brummbaer]

Since it started from Andy Johnson's OoB I think worth to point out this work about NATO Countries OoB 1989 with many improvements and additions since the original document by A.J.
NATO OoB 1989 Mk7

edit: I forgot the link