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				 4.0 small error report and some questions 
 Bug report:
 Obat 11 Russia Unit 807 [203mm 2A44 Pl] has as its weapon
 
 [152mm D20 FH CM] (weapon 229)
 
 instead of some other 203mm guns.
 
 
 Question:
 I skimmed through Russian section of Encyclopedia and found out that T-72B(M) has been given an ATGM called "9M119M1 Invar-M"
 Wasn't Invar the Indian name for Refleks? And is it true that it can penetrate about 900mm ? Then why T-80s and 90s are given Refleks series that have lower penetration capability than Invar-M ?
 Any piece of information please, it really shook my curiosity.
 
 And does anyone know for what round each tankgun corresponds to?
 
 i.e: 125mm Gun 88 = 3BM42
 105mm M68 83 = M833
 
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				 Re: 4.0 small error report and some questions 
 Regarding the 125mm GL-ATGM, the ones that I know of are the 9M112 Kobra for the T-64B/80B series, 9M119/9M119M Svir/Refleks for the T-72/80/90 series. These have a penetration ranging from 600-750mm of RHAe. 
 The 9M119M1 Reflek-M is a modernised 9M119M Reflek, it has an improved warhead with can penetration 750-850mm of RHAe.
 
 The Ukrainians has the Kombat GL-ATGM which has similar performance to the 9M119M series.
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				 Re: 4.0 small error report and some questions 
 re lower penetration: due to need for cash Russian army might now get worse equipment than customers abroad, no? 
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				 Re: 4.0 small error report and some questions 
 I wouldn't say so, the Russian recently developed the RPG-28, which has a 125mm caliber warhead compared against the older RPG-27/29. Which improves it's penetration to over 900mm of RHAe compared against the 650/750mm on the RPG-29.http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ali/RPG-28.jpg |  
	
		
	
	
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				 Re: 4.0 small error report and some questions 
 That they developped it doesn't mean they'll buy it for their army  
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				 Re: 4.0 small error report and some questions 
 
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		| Companion said: Bug report:
 
 Obat 11 Russia Unit 807 [203mm 2A44 Pl] has as its weapon
 
 [152mm D20 FH CM] (weapon 229)
 
 |    Oops.... Yeah there's actually a couple other little changes I should have made involving that weapon.
 
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		| Companion said: Bug report:
 
 Obat 11 Russia Unit 807 [203mm 2A44 Pl] has as its weapon
 
 [152mm D20 FH CM] (weapon 229)
 
 instead of some other 203mm guns.
 
 
 Question:
 I skimmed through Russian section of Encyclopedia and found out that T-72B(M) has been given an ATGM called "9M119M1 Invar-M"
 Wasn't Invar the Indian name for Refleks? And is it true that it can penetrate about 900mm ? Then why T-80s and 90s are given Refleks series that have lower penetration capability than Invar-M ?
 Any piece of information please, it really shook my curiosity.
 
 And does anyone know for what round each tankgun corresponds to?
 
 i.e: 125mm Gun 88 = 3BM42
 105mm M68 83 = M833
 
 Thanks,
 
 
 - Comp
 
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		| Djuice said: Regarding the 125mm GL-ATGM, the ones that I know of are the 9M112 Kobra for the T-64B/80B series, 9M119/9M119M Svir/Refleks for the T-72/80/90 series. These have a penetration ranging from 600-750mm of RHAe.
 
 The 9M119M1 Reflek-M is a modernised 9M119M Reflek, it has an improved warhead with can penetration 750-850mm of RHAe.
 
 The Ukrainians has the Kombat GL-ATGM which has similar performance to the 9M119M series.
 
 |  You confuse names missiles and names of systems as a whole - for example, missiles ATGM Refleks 9M119 is used on tanks T-72 as a part of system Svir. On tanks T-90 both T-80 system and missiles ATGM were called Refleks. Also there are systems and missiles ATGM for guns 100mm with different names and names of systems. |  
	
		
	
	
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				 Re: 4.0 small error report and some questions 
 Will anyone help me on "weapon ID" question? 
Are 125mm gun 00/03/05 (these have ingame sabot pen value of 70~90 level) representations of "what-if" weapons made in the past but somehow survived? 
To my knowledge best and most recent Russian APFSDS round is 3BM-42M with penetration value of something between 700~800 RHA at 0m, 0 degrees.
 
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				 Re: 4.0 small error report and some questions 
 Another bug found. The 2A72 autocannon as used on the BMP-3 and BMD-4 among other vehicles has been replaced by the 30mm GSh-30-1 aircraft cannon. |  
	
		
	
	
	
	
	
	
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