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				Russian aircrafts v4
	
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		Main author – Timothy Igoshin (SPR) 
We offer you, our dear developers of game and  visitors of this forum, these data about Russian aircrafts. 
We think that these data is  most exact for Russian aircraft in game. Also, we have corrected our errors made in our OOB which we published at this forum. 
Units:
 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...hlight=russian
Weapons:
 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...hlight=russian
These data are continuation our study of the arms of Russia. We wish to help everybody with exact data about our arms. 
Probably, some errors are present here, and we suggest all visitors of this forum - please report to us about any errors you will find here. ===============  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		EW points 
1.	Termal trap 
2.	Dipol reflectors 
3.	One-ranged station (jamming) 
4.	Wide-ranged station (jamming) 
5.	Advanced models of jamming stations: wide-ranged take-away, barraged, flickering and reaiming -jamming. 
6.	irradiation alerting system 
7.	alerting missiles attack system 
8.	Digital spetvychislitel (processing computer) 
9.	Decreasing of radar observability 
10.	System of complex management of leaving from attack and jammer 
11.	Radar 
12.	radio-technical reconnaissance system 
15. stealth elements: lowering of electromagnetic radiation, optimized forms and case materials. 
20. Stealth – selection of speed, forms and materials of the case, lowering of electromagnetic radiation, improved onboard radio-electronic equipment, colourings case etc. 
24. Improved stealth. 
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Fire Control
 
      5 – Collimator sight 
     10 – Either any piston-engined planes or radar gunsight 
     15 – Laser range finder, or bombsight 
     20 – Digital processing computer for fire control/Target designation/TV-view-finder/ Target tracking system
 
Sites:  www.airwar.ru,  www.avia-mig.ru,  www.sukhoi.org  and some others. Some Russian books about modern aircrafts.  
Background: my knowledge as AD-officer and some talks with former soviet pilots.
 
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Sizes 
(wingspan x length) = size:
 
MiG-9 = … = 3 
MiG-15 = … = 4 
MiG-17 = 9,6 x 11,3 = 4 
MiG-21 = 7,5 x 14,1 = 4 
MiG-23 = 16,7 x 14 = 5 
MiG-27 = 17 x 14 = 5 
MiG-29 = 17,3 x 11,4 = 5 
MiG-25 = 22,3 x 14 = 5 
Su-24 = 22,7 x 17,6 = 5  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
			
			
			
			
				 
			
			
			
			
            
			
			
				
			
			
			
		 
		
	
	
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		MiG’s 
 
141 – MiG-23 
Rename to MiG-23S (because of MiG-23 was pure fighter) 
Change years - 1971-78 
EW reduce to 1 – its equipment is only radar. 
Radio=91 
 
142 – MiG-23 
Rename to MiG-23M 
EW reduce to 1 – equipment = only Radar. 
 
167 – MiG-23 
Rename to MiG-23B (“B” is a bomber modification) 
FC=15 (mounted automatic gunsight ASP-17, bombsight PBK-3-23S, laser range finder “Fon”) 
Armour = 16 (has been strengthened according to preliminary specifications) 
Change years 1973-86 
EW=3 (jamming station “Siren’” SPS-141, 142 or 143, irradiation alerting system “Sirena-3M”, in the back hemisphere - “Bar’er”, radar ) 
Speed=18 (1800 km/h) 
 
143 – MiG-23 
Rename to MiG-23BN 
Change years 1974-1988 
FC=15 (automatic gunsight ASP-17, bombsight PBK-3-23S, laser range finder “Klyon”) 
Armour = 16 (has been strengthened according to preliminary specifications) 
EW=3 (jamming station “Siren’” SPS-141, 142 or 143 etc) 
Speed=18 
Radio=90 (most mass) 
(all camouflage icons of previous MiGs change to grey - as those Migs were especially painted so! And the next models - were camouflaged!) 
 
145 – MiG-23MF 
MF – only export planes! 
Rename to MiG-23ML 
Armour=15 (L = light) 
EW=4 (active jamming system “Siren’” SPS-141, 142 or 143, irradiation alerting system “Sirena” SPO-10, rockets S-5 for shooting traps) 
Change years 1976-1989 
 
146 – MiG-23MF 
MF – only export planes! 
Rename to MiG-23MLD 
Armour=15 (L = light) 
EW=5 (active jamming station “Siren’” SPS-141, 142 or 143, irradiation alerting system “Bereza” SPO-15L, blocks for shooting IR-traps and dipole deflectors BVP-50-60) 
Change years 1984-2010 (over 300 planes are in reserve) 
 
144 – MiG-23MF 
MFs are only export planes! 
Rename to MiG-23MLD 
Armour=15 (L = light) 
EW=5 (jamming station “Siren’” SPS-141, 142 or 143, irradiation alerting system “Bereza” SPO-15L, blocks for shooting ir-trap and dipole deflectors BVP-50-60) 
Change years 1984-2010 (over 300 planes are in reserve at storing bases) 
Slot 2 – Missile Kh-23 = 1 missile 
 
945 – MiG-23MF (COIN) 
MFs are only export planes! 
Rename to MiG-23MLD 
Armour=15 (L = light) 
EW=5 (jamming station “Siren’” SPS-141, 142 or 143, irradiation alerting system “Bereza” SPO-15L, blocks for shot ir-trap and dipole deflectors BVP-50-60) 
Change years 1984-2010 (over 300 planes are in reserve at storing bases) 
 
 
129 – MiG-9 
Rename to MiG-9F 
FC reduce to 5 
Slot 3 and 4 – empty 
 
130 – MiG-15bis 
Change year 1949 
 
131 –MiG-15 SD-5 
Change year 1950 
Slot 3 = 100kg bomb 
Slot 4 = 100kg bomb 
 
132 – MiG-17 
Slot 3 = 50kg bomb 
Slot 4 = 50kg bomb 
 
133 – MiG-17 
Rename to MiG-17A 
Slot 3 = 100kg bomb 
Slot 4 = 100kg bomb 
 
 
 
134 – MiG-17P 
Rename to MiG-17F (Because of  “F” is modification of fighter-bomber with 250-kg bombs and “P” – is a Perekhvatchik=interceptor (without bombs)) 
Change year 1953 
 
135 – MiG-17P 
Rename to MiG-17F 
(Planes 1970-1978 is all remained in armies MiG-17 transferred in formed istrebitel'no-bombardirovochnaya aviatsiya (fighters-bombers aviation)) 
EW=2 (irradiation alerting system “Serena-2”, radar) 
Slot 3 = 250kg bomb 
Slot 4 = 250kg bomb 
 
940 – MiG-17 
Rename to MiG-17AS 
 
138 – MiG-19 
Rename to MiG-19S 
Change year 1956 
 
139 – MiG-21F 
Rename to Mig-21F-13 (simply “F”- only interceptor) 
Change year 1960 
 
140 – MiG-21bis 
Change year 1972 
FC=10 – optical radio gunsight 
 
942 – MiG-21F (COIN) 
Rename to MiG-21PFM 
Change year 1964 
FC=10 – automatic gunsight ASP 
 
947 – MiG-29 
Rename to MiG-29 9-13 
EW=7 (+wide-ranged station “Gardeniya”, shoting termal traps) 
Radio=90 
 
234 – MiG-29 
Rename to MiG-29S 
EW=8 (improved equipment concerning the previous version) 
 
235 – MiG-29 
Rename to MiG-29S 
EW=8 (improved equipment concerning the previous version) 
 
948 – MiG-29 
Rename to MiG-29SM 
EW=9 (improved equipment concerning the previous version) 
Probably year 2008 ??? 
FC=30 – added tv-channel with autonomous computer 
  
949 – MiG-29 
Rename to MiG-29SM 
Probably year 2008 ??? 
FC=30 – added tv-channel with autonomous computer 
 
ADDING: 
MiG-25BM (SEAD) 
Years – 1982-1994 ??? 
Size=6 
FC=15 
EW=6 (station of radio-technical reconnaissance “Bereza-L”, active jamming stations “Siren’-1D-OZh” and “Lyutik”) 
Armour=15 
Vision=30 
Speed=25 
Radio=91 
Slot 1 = Kh-58U – 2pcs 
Slot 2 = Kh-28U – 2pcs 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
			
			
			
			
				 
			
			
			
			
            
			
			
				
			
			
			
		 
		
	
	
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		Su 
149 – Su-7B 
Change year 1959 
FC=10 (automatic gunsight ASP-5ND and bombsight PBK-2) 
Speed=21 
 
150 – Su-7BM 
Change year 1963 
FC=10 (automatic gun sight ASP-5ND and bombsight PBK-2) 
Speed=21 
 
151 – Su-7BM 
Rename to Su-7BLK 
Change years 1966-1989 
EW=2 (active jamming stations “Siren’” SPS-141, 142 or 143) 
FC=10 (automatic gun sight ASP-5ND and bombsight PBK-2) 
Speed=21 
 
952 – Su-7BM 
Rename to Su-7BLK 
Change years 1966-1989 
EW=2 (active jamming station “Siren’” SPS-141, 142 or 143) 
FC=10 (automatic gun sight ASP-5ND and bombsight PBK-2) 
Speed=21 
 
154 – Su-17M 
Change years 1973 
EW=3 (There is next info on Sukhoi website - changes of avionics at this modification was not done) 
FC=10 
Vision=20 
 
155 – Su-17M2 
EW=3 (no changes concerning the previous version) 
 
160 – Su-17M 
Rename to Su-17M2 
Change years 1975-1985 ??? 
EW=3 (no changes concerning the previous version existing) 
 
227 – Su-17M3 
Change year 1977 
 
228 – Su-17M3 
Rename to Su-17M3R (for missile Kh-58) 
Year removal – 1998 
Speed=19 
 
953 – Su-17M2 
EW=3 (no changes concerning the previous version) 
Vision=30 (see #155) 
 
961 – Su-17M2 
Rename to Su-17M4 
Years 1983-1998 
FC=20 (new digital computer for fire control “Orbita-20-22”, modernized system for control of weapons) 
Speed=19 
 
961 – Su-24 
Rename to Su-24M (for Kh-29 missiles) 
Year 1981 (760 regiment of Lipetskiy TsBP) 
EW=8 (irradiation alerting system “Bereza” SPO-15M, IRST sensor L082 “Mak-UL”, passive jamming station APP-50, self defense equipment – control by separate digital computer “Neon”) 
FC=20 (laser&TV aiming system “Caira-23”) 
Vision=30 
Size=5 
 
148 – Su-24 
EW=4 (irradiation alerting system “Sirena-2M”, active jamming station “Siren’”, radar detection station) 
Size=5 
 
229 – Su-24M 
Rename to Su-24M2 
Years - 2007 
EW=9 (improved unit) 
 Improved systems of “M” (##147-148) modifications. 
FC=25 (TV, GLONASS(GPS)/NAVSTAR, new onboard computer SVP-24, digital area map, collimator indicator ILS-31) 
Vision=40 
Size=5 
 
535 – Su-24 
EW=4 (irradiation alerting system “Sirena-2M”, active jamming station “Siren’”, radar detection station) 
Size=5 
536 – Su-24 
EW=4 (irradiation alerting system “Sirena-2M”, active jamming station “Siren’”, radar detection station) 
Size=5 
537 – Su-24 
Rename to Su-24M (for Kh-29 missiles which were used on this version) 
Year 1981 (760 regiment of Lipetskiy TsBP) 
EW=8 (irradiation alerting system “Bereza” SPO-15M, IRST sensor L082 “Mak-UL”, jamming station APP-50, self defense equipment controlled by separate digital computer “Neon”) 
FC=20 (laser-tv aiming system “Caira-23”) 
Vision=30 
Size=5 
 
538 – Su-24 
Rename to Su-24M (for Kh-29 missiles) 
Year 1981 (760 regiment of Lipetskiy TsBP) 
EW=8 (irradiation alerting system “Bereza” SPO-15M, IRST sensor L082 “Mak-UL”, jamming station APP-50, self defense equipment controlled by separate digital computer “Neon”) 
FC=20 (laser-tv aiming system “Caira-23”) 
Vision=30 
Size=5 
 
951 – Su-24 
EW=4 (irradiation alerting system “Sirena-2M”, active jamming station “Siren’”, radar detection station) 
Size=5 
 
357 – Su-27 Flanker-B 
Rename to Su-27 
Year 1984 
EW=5 (irradiation alerting system “Bereza”, active jamming station “Geran’’”, jamming station APP-50) 
Speed=25 
 
356 – Su-27 Flanker-B 
Rename to Su-27 
Year 1986 
EW=6 (irradiation alerting system “Bereza”, active jamming station “Geran’’”, jamming station APP-50 and + new active jamming station “Sorbtsiya”) 
FC=20 (radar gunsight RLPK-27, optic-electronic aiming system OYePS-27,  irst sensor, laser range finder, helmet targeting system “Schel’-3UM”, digital computer (spetsvychislitel) C-100, system of common indication SEI-31, system of weapons control (SUO) ) 
Speed=25 
 
358 – Su-27 Flanker-B 
Rename to Su-27 
Year 1991 (“After debugging of all complex BREO ((avionics) by the Decision of Ministerial council of the USSR from 23 august 1990 Su-27 has been officially accepted on arms of the Air Forces as aircraft of air defence of Soviet Union.”) 
EW=7 (new digital spetsvychislitel (processing computer) operating BKO (self-defense equipment), irradiation alerting system “Bereza”, active jamming station “Geran’’”, passive jamming station APP-50 and + new active jamming station “Sorbtsiya”) 
FC=20 (radar gunsight RLPK-27, optic-electronic aiming system OYePS-27,  irst sensor, laser range finder, helmet targeting system “Schel’-3UM”, digital computer C-100, system of common indication SEI-31, fire control system) 
Vision=30 
Speed=25 
 
958 – Su-27 Flanker-B 
Rename to Su-27SM (22 guards air regiment – Vladivostok city) 
EW=9 (new missile launch alerting system, new station of radio-technical reconnaissance, improved control system, digital spetsvychislitel (processing computer) operating BKO (self-defense equipment), irradiation alerting system “Bereza”, active jamming station “Geran’’”, jamming station  APP-50 and + new active jamming station “Sorbtsiya”) 
FC=20 (radar gunsight RLPK-27, optic-electronic aiming system OYePS-27,  irst sensor, laser range finder, helmet targeting system “Schel’-3UM”, digital computer C-100, system of common indication SEI-31, fire control system) 
Vision=40 
Speed=25 
 
236 – Su-30 
Rename to Su-30M (M - multi-purpose, just “Su-30” arrived only in air defense) 
Year 1992 
Crew=2 
Armour=16 (1) - an advanced life-support system 
EW=9 (see Su-27M) 
FC=20 (see Su-27) 
Speed=25 
 
242 – Su-30 
Rename to Su-30M (M - multi-purpose, just “Su-30” arrived only in air defense) 
Crew=2 
Armour=16 (1) - an advanced life-support system 
EW=9 (see Su-27M) 
FC=20 (Su-27 plus tv-indicator of  tactical-situation map and mapmaking, GLONASS(GPS)\NAVSTAR, system SDTs) 
Speed=25 
 
891 – Su-34 
Year = 2008 
Armour=16 (1) - an advanced life-support system 
EW=11 (see Su-30M + stealth elements + new active jamming station) 
Speed=22 
 
892 – Su-34 
Year = 2008 
Armour=16 (1) - an advanced life-support system 
EW=11 (see Su-30M + stealth elements + new active jamming station) 
Speed=22 
 
893 – Su-34 
Year = 2008 
Armour=16 (1) - an advanced life-support system 
EW=11 (see Su-30M + stealth elements + new active jamming station) 
Speed=22 
170 – Su-47 
Armour=20(1) 
FC=30 
EW=12 
Size=5 
 
162 – Su-25 Grach (translate to English=Rook (bird)) 
Change years 1980-1991 
FC=15 (see MiG-23 and MiG-27) 
Armour=16(1) - survivability must be better than survivability of fighter. Its attack plane and analogue American A-10 attack plane. 
 
168 – Su-25 Grach 
Change years 1980-1991 
FC=15 (see MiG-23 and MiG-27) 
Armour=16(1) - survivability must be better than survivability of fighter. Its attack plane and analogue American A-10 attack plane. 
 
954 – Su-25 Grach 
Year 1984 
FC=15 (see MiG-23 and MiG-27) 
Armour=16(1) - survivability must be better than survivability of fighter. Its attack plane and analogue American A-10 attack plane. 
EW=5 (by experience of Afghan war +added cartridges with ir-trapes) 
 
169 – Su-25 Grach 
Year 1984 
FC=15 (see MiG-23 and MiG-27) 
Armour=16(1) - survivability must be better than survivability of fighter. Its attack plane and analogue American A-10 attack plane. 
EW=5 (by experience of Afghanistan war +added cartridges with ir-trape) 
 
163 – Su-25 Grach 
Year 1987 
FC=15 (see MiG-23 and MiG-27) 
Armour=20(2) - by experience of Afghanistan war pipelines, draughts of management was strengthened, new anti-fire system was deployed, +new. armored screens. 
Crew=1 
EW=5 (instead 6) 
 
164 – Su-25 Grach 
Year 1987 
FC=15 (see MiG-23 and MiG-27) 
Armour=20(2) - by experience of Afghanistan war pipelines, draughts of management was strengthened, new anti-fire system was deployed, +new. armored screens. 
Crew=1 
EW=5 (instead 6) 
 
165 – Su-25 Grach 
Year 1987 
FC=15 (see MiG-23 and MiG-27) 
Armour=20(2) - by experience of Afghanistan war pipelines, draughts of management was strengthened, new anti-fire system was deployed, +new. armored screens. 
Crew=1 
EW=5 (instead 6) 
 
171 – Su-25T 
FC=20 (automatic aiming complex with tv-observer with operating TsSV) 
Armour=20(2) - by experience of Afghanistan war pipelines, draughts of management was strengthened, new anti-fire system was deployed, +new. armored screens. 
EW=7 (+ added ir-traps station, wide-ranged station “Gardeniya” and perhaps “Omul’”) 
Radio=91 or 92 (build small quantity, fighting in Chechnya) 
 
184 – Su-25T 
FC=20 (automatic aiming complex with tv-observer with operating TsSV) 
Armour=20(2) - by experience of Afghanistan war  pipelines, draughts of management were strengthened, new anti-fire system was mounted, +new. armored screens. 
EW=7 (+ added ir-trapes station, wide-ranged station “Gardeniya” and perhaps “Omul’”) 
Radio=91 or 92 (build small quantity, fighting in Chechnya) 
 
955 – Su-25 Grach 
Year 1987 
FC=15 (see MiG-23 and MiG-27) 
Armour=20(2) - by experience of Afghanistan war  pipelines, draughts of management were strengthened, new anti-fire system was mounted, +new. armored screens.Crew=1 
EW=5 (instead 6) 
 
956 – Su-25 Grach 
Year 1987 
FC=15 (see MiG-23 and MiG-27) 
Armour=20(2) - by experience of Afghanistan war  pipelines, draughts of management were strengthened, new anti-fire system was mounted, +new. armored screens. 
Crew=1 
EW=5 (instead 6) 
 
957 – Su-25SM 
FC=25 (map making system and new digital processing computer) 
Armour=20(2) - by experience of Afghanistan war  pipelines, draughts of management were strengthened, new anti-fire system was mounted, +new. armored screens. 
EW=10 (automatic control by defense complex, station of radio-technical reconnaissance, jamming system in all ranges an at all freq.complex – barraged, withdrawing, noise, flickering and reaiming) 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
			
			
			
			
				 
			
			
			
			
            
			
			
				
			
			
			
		 
		
	
	
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Yak 
124 – Yak-9K 
Rename to Yak-9P (Yak-9K in large quantities it was not made, Yak-9B - was issued only in over 1944, and were serial last updatings U(UT) and P) 
Weapons: 
Slot 1 = ShVAK = 3 pcs 
 
939 – Yak-9B 
Rename to Yak-9UT (Yak-9K in large quantities it was not made, Yak-9B - was issued only in over 1944, and were serial last updatings U(UT) and P) 
Radio=90 (build over 300) 
Weapons: 
Slot 1 = NS-23 (30 shells) 
Slot 2 = ShVAK = 2 pcs (120 shells) 
 
122 – Yak-38 
FC=10 (automatic gun sight from MiG-21) 
EW=0 
 
123 – Yak-38 
Rename to Yak-38M 
EW=0 
Speed=11 
 
359 – Yak-141 
Remove  – in 1991 this project was closed 
 
 
360 – Yak-141 
Remove  – in 1991 this project was closed 
 
296 – Yak-60RPV 
Rename to Shmel-1 or Shmel’-1 
 
 
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864 – G-11 Glider 
Carry=11 
 
554 – L-29 Delfin 
EW=0 
 
557 – L-39S Albatros 
Rename to L-39 Albatros (without “S”) 
EW=1 
 
938 – Il-10 Shturmovik 
Weapons 
Slot 3 = 100kg bombs = 2pcs 
Slot 4 = 100kg bombs = 2pcs 
 
540 – Ilyushin Il-14 
Rename to Il-14-30D 
 
532 – Il-28 
Year end = 1979 
 
533 – Il-28 
Change years 1950-1979 
534 – Il-28 
Year end = 1979 
 
930 – Il-28 
Year end = 1979 
Weapons: 
+ 
Slot 2 = Slot 1 = RBK-250 CBU = 6 pcs 
 
128 – La-11 
Armour=9(0) 
Weapons 
Slot 2 = Empty 
 
136 – La-11 
Rename to La-9 (the picture is same because of La-11 – is La-9M) 
Armour=9(0) 
Weapons 
Slot 1 = NS-23 = 4 guns (300 shells) 
Slot 2 = Empty 
Slot 3 = Empty 
 
539 – Lisunov Li-2 
Rename to Li-2 
Speed=3 
 
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Tu 
125 – Tu-2s 
Speed=5 
Armour=12(0) 
Weapons 
Slot 2 = 12.7mm UBS = 2 guns 
 
530 – Tu-2s 
Speed=5 
Armour=12(0) 
Weapons 
Slot 3 = 500kg bombs = 2pcs 
 
531 – Tu-2s 
Speed=5 
Armour=12(0) 
Weapons 
Slot 2 = 12.7mm UBS = 2 guns 
 
376 – Tu-16 Badger 
Rename to Tu-16 
 
377 – Tu-22 Blinder 
Rename to Tu-22 or Tu-22 Shilo 
Year end = 1996 
Speed=15 
Crew=3 
 
 
379 – Tu-22M Backfire 
Rename to Tu-22M2 
Speed=18 
Crew=4 
 
To add (for example instead Yak-141) 
Name – Tu-22M3 
Level bomber 
Years 1989-2020 
Crew=4 
Radio=90 
Size=6 
FC=0 
Speed=23 
Armour=20(1) 
Vision=30 
EW=8 (high power radar, active jamming, passive jamming, irradiation and missiles alerting system, system  of radio-technical reconnaissance etc) 
Weapons: 
Slot 1 = 1000kg bomb=6pcs 
Slot 2 = 1000kg bomb=6pcs 
Slot 3 = 1000kg bomb=6pcs 
Slot 4 = 1000kg bomb=6pcs 
 
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An 
541 – Antonov An-2P 
Rename to An-2TD 
Speed=3 
Carry=12 
 
542 – Antonov An-12BP 
Rename to An-12 
Size=6 
Speed=8 
Crew=5 
Armour=15 
 
543 – Antonov An-12BP 
Rename to An-12BK-IS 
Year 1974 
Size=6 
Speed=8 
Crew=5 
Armour=15 
EW=3 (IR-traps, in a back hemisphere “Bar’er”, “Fasol’”) 
 
605 – Antonov An-12BP 
Rename to An-12BK-IS 
Years 1970-2020 
Size=6 
Speed=8 
Crew=5 
Armour=15 
EW=2 (IR-traps, in a back hemisphere “Fasol’”, active jamming station “Siren’”) 
 
544 – Antonov An-32 
(Never consisted on arms, it was made basically for export and a little for civil use) 
Rename to An-26 (same picture – these planes are similar) 
Year 1970 
Carry=140 
Speed=4 
Crew=5 
EW=0 
 
545 – Antonov An-72 
Rename to An-72 
Carry=157 
Speed=6 
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		Hi Kramax, 
Nothing about Yakovlev Yak-130 ?   
Year 2009 
Crew=2 
Armour=? 
EW=? 
FC=20? 
Speed=10
 
Armament: 1x23mm GSh-23L, bombs, rockets pods... 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-130
Any information are welcomed.
 
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		These planes are in game. On these planes there is not enough information. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		All the info is welcome and the way it is set down is good and makes for easy reading and correcting. I've copied it to my to-do list but things like this.. 
229 – Su-24M 
Rename to Su-24M2 
Years - 2007
 
"Years - 2007" does not tell me if this is an in service or OOS date. If I had to guess I'd guess it's an in service date.
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537 – Su-24 
Rename to Su-24M (for Kh-29 missiles which were used on this version) 
Year 1981 (760 regiment of Lipetskiy TsBP) 
EW=8 (irradiation alerting system “Bereza” SPO-15M, IRST sensor L082 “Mak-UL”, jamming station APP-50, self defense equipment controlled by separate digital computer “Neon”) 
FC=20 (laser-tv aiming system “Caira-23”) 
Vision=30 
Size=5
 
538 – Su-24 
Rename to Su-24M (for Kh-29 missiles) 
Year 1981 (760 regiment of Lipetskiy TsBP) 
EW=8 (irradiation alerting system “Bereza” SPO-15M, IRST sensor L082 “Mak-UL”, jamming station APP-50, self defense equipment controlled by separate digital computer “Neon”) 
FC=20 (laser-tv aiming system “Caira-23”) 
Vision=30 
Size=5
 
Both those units are level bombers. Level bombers do  NOT get FC
 
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LEVEL BOMBERS: They do not need to locate a target on the ground to attack, so need no vision. They do not aim at anything, so FC and RF is superfluous.  
			
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 I have noticed that in some OOB's vision/RF/FC has snuck into some bomber units and that's now on the to-do list to clean them out as it does affect unit cost and leads to misunderstandings. The Level Bomber code does not use the vision/RF/FC ratings
 
Now......... perhaps whoever wrote this wanted these changed to fighter-bomber. If so that needs to made clear AND why those particular bombers should be changed
 
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		One other point. 
From reading through this it would appear that there is some confusion as to what the radio codes actually mean.
 
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FC=20 (automatic aiming complex with tv-observer with operating TsSV) 
Armour=20(2) - by experience of Afghanistan war pipelines, draughts of management were strengthened, new anti-fire system was mounted, +new. armored screens. 
EW=7 (+ added ir-trapes station, wide-ranged station “Gardeniya” and perhaps “Omul’”) 
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 So that last line in the first quote is telling me "Make them very rare or very common " which makes no sense at all. Given the "build small quantity, fighting in Chechnya" info they should be 91 radio code.
 
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		Greetings! 
Thanks for interests to our work!
 
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 Sorry, Kramax had removed part of the phrase. My version looked just like “Year – 2007: at Lypetskiy TsBP (Lipetskiy Training Center) was 6 pcs. Then it’s planned 20 pcs for 2008  - 7 pcs more has been modified from ‘M’ version). 
Of course of them are in service from 2007.
 
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				I have noticed that in some OOB's vision/RF/FC has snuck into some bomber units and that's now on the to-do list to clean them out as it does affect unit cost and leads to misunderstandings. The Level Bomber code does not use the vision/RF/FC ratings 
 
Now......... perhaps whoever wrote this wanted these changed to fighter-bomber. If so that needs to made clear AND why those particular bombers should be changed
			
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 Caira system (deployed at Su-24s of ‘M’ modification) was intended to operate from low altitudes (up to approx. 5-6 thousands meters), so these units must work as tactical bombers to use its equipment fully.
 
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				So that last line in the first quote is telling me "Make them very rare or very common " which makes no sense at all. Given the "build small quantity, fighting in Chechnya" info they should be 91 radio code.
			
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 Of course, you are right. 
There must be ONLY  ‘91’, not ’91 or 92’.  
Thanks again! 
I will pleased if you'll find another mistakes or innacuracies and then we will get more realistic game    
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
			
			
			
			
				 
			
			
			
			
            
			
			
				
			
			
			
		 
		
	
	
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