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		This sounds interesting. When did you plan on starting this thing? 
 
And as for counting the score, you could just ask every player to save at the end of the last turn, load the saved game and finish the turn. Or, since the game can theoretically end at any given turn, to save at the end of each turn just to be sure they'll have the end game turn saved. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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				I've noticed a absence of helicopters, attack and transport. Unless I'm missing something it would be all wheels/tracks and boots on the ground? 
			
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 And you would be correct. As a BTR MRB Commander that would be your actual core force. The extras would come with the support purchase points for each battle in the campaign. I will use those points to select for each battle depending on the map, mission, etc.
 
In the 1st battle (Meeting Engagement) you are to probe the enemy front. For this mission you get 2x T-62D's and 12x tubes of 122mm arty. These are Regimental level assets allocated to you by the MRR Commander.  
			
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 Actually - one part of the "core" force is missing.
 
The regimental tank battalion (4 tank platoon organisation almost always) was doctrinally split to attach a company to each mech battalion as an almost invariable rule. The tank company would then be split to attach a platoon to each mech company as an almost invariable rule as well.
 
The attached scenario 299 is  not a scenario - it was something I was working on as a tactical guide, but have not had the time to progress. It is based on Isby, and is designed to be viewed in the  editor. Scenario text is a first attempt at the explanation of the non-scenario.
 
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				This sounds interesting. When did you plan on starting this thing? 
			
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 I am thinking within the next week (the official campaign). At this point I am creating a test (1 battle) campaign for everyone to go through the process for a complete battle. Receiving the file, playing and then sending me back the file. This way, players can get the process down and I can receive the last save file and see what info for sure I have to work with. Sorta work out the bugs, pre-offical campaign.
 
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				And as for counting the score, you could just ask every player to save at the end of the last turn, load the saved game and finish the turn. Or, since the game can theoretically end at any given turn, to save at the end of each turn just to be sure they'll have the end game turn saved. 
			
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 I think if players alternate saving their game to 2 slots they will have the last one before any early ending that they can then send. That would work best I think.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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				OK, a major snafu. It appears that I was wrong in assuming that you could save the End Game screen after a Generated Campaign battle.   
 
I will have to come up with a workaround. Looks like the battles may need to be ended on a set turn and then send me the last save file. I will open the files and manually calculate Victory Points.  
			
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 Guess you just get to see who improves then go to next battles R&R screen so thoughts. 
1) If players keep track of flags controled after say turn 15 so long as all same points easy to add subtract. 
2) Set R&R high to a round figure like 5000pts. 
Press fix all diffrence between the 2 is the score lowest wins. 
Example after repair (A) has 4300 points left so score was 700 
(B) 4100 points left so score 900  
Flags either ignore or deduct diffrence from score. 
Example 21 flags at 100points each 
Player controls 10, AI 7, 4 neutral 
Diffrence between player & AI is 300 points (10-7) x100 
So take 300 off players total score.
  
This will be easier I think than trying to work out loses by counting missing men. 
If flags total makes to much of a diffrence divide it by something say 4 so it fits, your call as ref.  
			
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 I will be counting the Victory Flags since they are tied to the assigned mission objectives. If I get the last turn save file (before the end game screen) I can go through the players unit list screen in the beginning of the next turn and track the damage points (units KIA, etc) that way. I can't do this for the enemy forces though.    
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		I have revised the player's Core Force to the following (the BTR's are now the PB model and not the PB(+) model so they are not armed with the 30mm AGL but this is offset by the direct attachment of a Tank Company from the Regimental Tank Battalion); 
 
 BATTALION HEADQUARTERS 
1x Headquarters 
     
 BTR RIFLE COMPANY 
10x Mech Squad 
1x Strela-2M SAM 
3x RPG-7V Team 
10x BTR-60PB 
     
 BTR RIFLE COMPANY 
10x Mech Squad 
1x Strela-2M SAM 
3x RPG-7V Team 
10x BTR-60PB 
 
 BTR RIFLE COMPANY 
10x Mech Squad 
1x Strela-2M SAM 
3x RPG-7V Team 
10x BTR-60PB 
     
TANK COMPANY (4) 
13x T-62D 
 
ANTI-TANK PLATOON 
2x 73mm SPM-9 RCL 
6x Malutku-P Team 
3x BTR-60PB 
     
MORTAR BATTERY 
6x 120mm Mortar 
6x GAZ-66 
     
AUTOMATIC GL PLATOON 
6x 30mm AGS GL 
3x BTR-60PB 
     
FORWARD OBSERVER 
1x Art Observer 
1x MT-LBu 1V12 
     
BATTALION HQ TRANSPORT 
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				Actually - one part of the "core" force is missing. 
 
The regimental tank battalion (4 tank platoon organisation almost always) was doctrinally split to attach a company to each mech battalion as an almost invariable rule. The tank company would then be split to attach a platoon to each mech company as an almost invariable rule as well. 
 
The attached scenario 299 is not a scenario - it was something I was working on as a tactical guide, but have not had the time to progress. It is based on Isby, and is designed to be viewed in the editor. Scenario text is a first attempt at the explanation of the non-scenario
			
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1) Is the book worth a gander 
2) When I do this force normally add a scout section normaly 5 as buy from armour screen & delete other scout platoon & one SAM platoon assume they would have scouts. 
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				Actually - one part of the "core" force is missing. 
 
The regimental tank battalion (4 tank platoon organisation almost always) was doctrinally split to attach a company to each mech battalion as an almost invariable rule. The tank company would then be split to attach a platoon to each mech company as an almost invariable rule as well. 
 
The attached scenario 299 is not a scenario - it was something I was working on as a tactical guide, but have not had the time to progress. It is based on Isby, and is designed to be viewed in the editor. Scenario text is a first attempt at the explanation of the non-scenario
			
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1) Is the book worth a gander 
2) When I do this force normally add a scout section normaly 5 as buy from armour screen & delete other scout platoon & one SAM platoon assume they would have scouts. 
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 1) Yes - I had it and sold it in the 90s with all my tabletop wargaming stuff, so re-bought a second hand copy from an online book dealers. There is a revised edition out now (saw at Amazon for lots of money).
 
2) the scouts would be ahead of the demo, under regimental control. Maybe 5 - 10 KM ahead. MANPADS SAM platoon - is in the support coy columns.
 
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2) the scouts would be ahead of the demo, under regimental control. Maybe 5 - 10 KM ahead. MANPADS SAM platoon - is in the support coy columns.
			
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