.com.unity Forums
  The Official e-Store of Shrapnel Games

This Month's Specials

Raging Tiger- Save $9.00
The Star and the Crescent- Save $9.00

   







Go Back   .com.unity Forums > Shrapnel Community > Space Empires: IV & V

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old December 13th, 2002, 01:22 PM

Gryphin Gryphin is offline
BANNED USER
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Near Boston, MA, USA
Posts: 2,471
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Gryphin is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Gryphin Mod v.3 - Troop Question

Krsqk
I'm using Daves mod utility.
It is a Rage Escort with:
Bridge, Crew, Life, 6 Engines, 1 Cap Ship Missle I, 1 Supply I.
It has to be something I entered wrong. I can fix it by copying over the entire supplys storage area. Does anybody want to look and see what could give this supply bay,
100 Percent defence?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old December 14th, 2002, 05:35 AM
Krsqk's Avatar

Krsqk Krsqk is offline
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 1,259
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Krsqk is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Gryphin Mod v.3 - Troop Question

I'm willing to take a look. Post your components file. Or, zip your datafiles and a savegame, and I'll load it up to see if there's any weirdness.
__________________
The Unpronounceable Krsqk

"Well, sir, at the moment my left processor doesn't know what my right is doing." - Freefall
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old December 14th, 2002, 03:00 PM

Gryphin Gryphin is offline
BANNED USER
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Near Boston, MA, USA
Posts: 2,471
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Gryphin is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Gryphin Mod v.3 - Troop Question

Krsqk,
I'll do that. I want to try a few things first.
I'm going to put a "standard" components.txt in its place. I will then copy and paste each component group I changed 1 group at a time.
It is really strange.
Ships without the supply bay die. Ships with it, cannot be hit once all other components are gone.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old December 15th, 2002, 05:14 AM

Gryphin Gryphin is offline
BANNED USER
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Near Boston, MA, USA
Posts: 2,471
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Gryphin is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Gryphin Mod v.3 - Troop Question

Here is the file:
http://www.windingstream.com/se/gryphin_components.htm
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old December 15th, 2002, 05:43 AM
Krsqk's Avatar

Krsqk Krsqk is offline
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 1,259
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Krsqk is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Gryphin Mod v.3 - Troop Question

I think I found the problem:
Quote:
Name := Supply Storage I 10kT
Description := Area on a starship to store supplies.
Pic Num := 117
Tonnage Space Taken := 10
Tonnage Structure := 0
Since it has the smallest tonnage structure, it's very likely to be hit Last. In fact, depending on how the combat system works, it probably have a 0% chance of being hit! Then, your ship has 100% damage (by numbers), but still has components left! The weapon hits the ship, checks for components to damage/destroy, and can't find any with a chance to be hit.

BTW, your descriptions and ability numbers on your smaller-sized cargo and supply components don't match. Just noticed while scrolling through.

Hope this fixes the problem!
__________________
The Unpronounceable Krsqk

"Well, sir, at the moment my left processor doesn't know what my right is doing." - Freefall
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old December 15th, 2002, 01:56 PM

Gryphin Gryphin is offline
BANNED USER
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Near Boston, MA, USA
Posts: 2,471
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Gryphin is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Gryphin Mod v.3 - Troop Question

Thanks Krsqk
I changed them all. It apears to have worked.
Um, let me get this straight,
From the Description of
Tonnage Structure:
"The number of points of damage this component can withstand before being destroyed."
If the number is "0", it can't be hit because of a quirk in the combat algorythm?

[ December 15, 2002, 11:59: Message edited by: Gryphin ]
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old December 15th, 2002, 05:57 PM
Wanderer's Avatar

Wanderer Wanderer is offline
Corporal
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 69
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Wanderer is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Gryphin Mod v.3 - Troop Question

Quote:
Originally posted by Gryphin:

If the number is "0", it can't be hit because of a quirk in the combat algorythm?
Yup! Now HMS Invincible really can be invincible (and would make an excellent minesweeper )

More formally, if you have three surviving components with tonnage structure values of x, y and z, the chance of component x being hit first by a shot is:

x
P(x) = ------
x+y+z

So if x=0, P(x) (the chance of hitting x) is also 0.
__________________
*insert impressive 50-line signature here*
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:50 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2025, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.