Word of Mouth Has Killed

Graeme Dice · #1 January 2nd, 2003, 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by DarkHorse:
Well, my thoughts on this would be:
1. They are from a different planet, therefore do not share the same cultural history and references (e.g. Shakespeare)

Most of the world doesn't share western culture, but I still saw footage of a Santa Claus driving through Baghdad this Christmas.

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2. Their interaction with the Federation to that point in time to my knowledge was limited to episodes of occasional skirmishes to outright war, conditions that don't seem to lend themselves to a rich cultural exchange.

Shakespeare is hardly classified material though,
and I would expect TOS Klingons to enjoy it for its entertainment value, as they aren't that dfferent culturally from the U.S.S.R.

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3. They had been portrayed (especially in TOS) as gruff and warlike, or at least aggressive, people, not really the kind that would take much of an interest in xenos literature.

The Klingons of TOS were definetly not the brainless berserker Vikings that B&B turned them into, especially post TNG. They were intelligent and scheming, and would have liked to understand their enemies better.

dumbluck · #2 January 2nd, 2003, 11:08 AM

I haven't watched the Last two ST movies. IMHO, ST has been going downhill for some time now. I'm not even interested in it anymore. I'm glad they killed Data, though. The emotion chip ruined him as a functional part of a starship crew, anyway.

dogscoff · #3 January 2nd, 2003, 05:24 PM

They killed Data? Why did they do that? Along with Picard, he was about the only member of that crew I didn't want to see eaten to death by those in-the-ear bugs from Wrath of Khan.

IMO Star Trek in general is a bit crap. Bits of Voyager and TNG were good, bits of DS9 were exceptional, but all the rest is pretty much worthless. (Havne't seen any of the latest series yet. Can't be bothered.)

Anyway, Data was one of the very few redeeming features of the Trekoverse. True, they handled the emotion chip poorly in the films, and OK, he probably should have been killed after that. So I guess there's nothing for me to whinge at after all. I think I'll shut up...

BTW: Little known Trek trivia- did you know that Patrick Stewart is a huge fan of the terrifyingly brilliant Transmetropolitan?

DarkHorse · #4 January 2nd, 2003, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by dogscoff:
They killed Data? Why did they do that? Along with Picard, he was about the only member of that crew I didn't want to see eaten to death by those in-the-ear bugs from Wrath of Khan.

Lol, and someone called ME mean

Kamog · #5 January 3rd, 2003, 07:43 AM

Yeah, I'm really sad that Data died. He was my second-favorite character (after Picard).

In my opinion, Next Generation was the best Star Trek series. I would say Voyager was #2, the Original Series was #3, and Deep Space 9 was #4. I have only seen 4 or 5 episodes of Enterprise so I don't really have an opinion on that. However, in regards to story depth and continuity, nothing beats Babylon 5.

Captain Kwok · #6 January 3rd, 2003, 08:16 AM

The reason why Nemesis did poor domestically was the fact that it was released at a bad time, and casual viewers were more likely to spend their movie dollars on more mainstream films like The Two Towers etc, instead. Perhaps January or earlier in November would have been better.

The movie itself is not bad, and I would suggest that seeing the movie for yourself is the best course of action, rather than relying on other people's opinions - ones you might find later unjustified.

tbontob · #7 January 3rd, 2003, 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by Kamog:
Yeah, I'm really sad that Data died. He was my second-favorite character (after Picard).

In my opinion, Next Generation was the best Star Trek series. I would say Voyager was #2, the Original Series was #3, and Deep Space 9 was #4. I have only seen 4 or 5 episodes of Enterprise so I don't really have an opinion on that. However, in regards to story depth and continuity, nothing beats Babylon 5.

Yes...B5 was my favorite too.

It had a lot going for it. Good character development, good storylines, plot development which took place over years, and we saw how many characters ended their lives. Most of all, we were not left hanging and wondering how things were going to turn out. There was a real effort to bring all the loose ends together in the final episodes. A great series.