OT: in a windy Salon article David Brin says,

Puke · #1 January 2nd, 2003, 07:51 PM

Brin hates anyone who isnt him. his rips on Lucas are alot better than his ones on Tolken, but you have to understand, he will rip on anyone who isnt him.

Pax · #2 January 2nd, 2003, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by rextorres:
"Sauron's army was the one that included every species and race on Middle Earth, including all the despised colors of humanity, and all the lower classes.

Hmm. Did they all leave their homes and march to war thinking, "Oh, goody, let's go serve an evil Dark Lord"?

Or might they instead have thought they were the "good guys," with a justifiable grievance worth fighting for, rebelling against an ancient, rigid, pyramid-shaped, feudal hierarchy topped by invader-alien elfs and their Numenorean-colonialist human lackeys?"

Never thought of TLOR this way.

There's one error -- there were NEVER Elves in Saurons' army; Orcs were a failed attempt to make evil elves. And I'm not at all certain in regards to Dwarves.

However, as for Men ... Men are traditionally a neutral race in the LOTR mythos; there are good men, there are bad men, and there are all the countless shades of grey in between.

Those who marched in Sauron's army did so for greed, power lust, and sometimes the sheer joy of killing.

But there were NEVER Elves in Sauron's armies, in EITHER War of the Ring (the second of which is yet to come, film-wise ...

... )

Fyron · #3 January 2nd, 2003, 09:11 PM

He may have meant in his employ. Elves did work for him at one point (crafting of the rings). Dwarves never fought directly in his armies either. Ents most certainly never worked with him at all.

[ January 02, 2003, 19:11: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Cheeze · #4 January 3rd, 2003, 01:40 AM

Hobbits never served Sauron either. The rings were forged with Sauron's help and advice, but it can't be said the elves served Sauron. The elves creating the rings made sure they kept them away from Sauron, and he lacked the influence over the elvish rings and their bearers as he did those of the dwarves and humans.

Dwarves never served Sauron either, although the wars between the dwarves and elves was mostly through Sauron's meddling, and that of Sauron's master.