New Strategy: Drones with Subverters !

Phoenix-D · #1 January 3rd, 2003, 08:41 PM

"subverters + talismans + computer virus (these go thru shields right? even phased?)"

3000 racial points. A lot can be done with 3000 racial points..and you have to research both those before they can be used. Relgious players already risk early-game attack; a player with that combo is screaming "kill me now, before I get the weapons I need!"

Phoenix-D

Cirvol · #2 January 3rd, 2003, 08:46 PM

still, you wouldn't 'need' the religous tech...

good fleet/ship training and combat sensor 3 should be good enough

and then the subverter/computer virus combo wins everything

unfair, and unbalanced

Ragnarok · #3 January 3rd, 2003, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by Cirvol:

unfair, and unbalanced

Unfair: Maybe.
Unbalanced: Slightly.

But just as every other stratagy you can come up with there is almost always a counter. You could very easily devise a defense to counter the Religious/Virus/Subverter combo. Granted it is probably one of the harder combos to defend against but nevertheless, it is possible.

DarkHorse · #4 January 3rd, 2003, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by Arkcon:

If someone insists on loading sats with the subverter ... I say, let him have some ships. Try 20 1 engine no weapon escorts. Or perhaps a dreadnought, 1 engine, lots of stellar manipulators ... no supply.

If you want your best shipyard to spend 40 turns building that dread, knock yourself out! I've already won

Regardless, I only use the satellites against the AI, humans it would only work against once, maybe. The AI doesn't seem to be in any hurry to build master computers.

DarkHorse · #5 January 3rd, 2003, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Ragnarok:

quote:
Originally posted by Cirvol:

unfair, and unbalanced

Unfair: Maybe.
Unbalanced: Slightly.

But just as every other stratagy you can come up with there is almost always a counter. You could very easily devise a defense to counter the Religious/Virus/Subverter combo. Granted it is probably one of the harder combos to defend against but nevertheless, it is possible.

True, there's always a way. Can't beat their ships? Steal 'em with intel. Can't get by their satellites/mines/whatever? Make your own warp points. It may take a while, but there's a way around everything.

TerranC · #6 January 3rd, 2003, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by Cirvol:
still, you wouldn't 'need' the religous tech...

good fleet/ship training and combat sensor 3 should be good enough

and then the subverter/computer virus combo wins everything

unfair, and unbalanced

Not in the next patch (I think somebody said that already).

And how does that combo win everything? Subverters and Computer Viruses only have ranges of 5 and 6, respectively. Many powerful conventional weapons (WMG, CSM, APB) can beat them in a flash.

Cirvol · #7 January 3rd, 2003, 09:04 PM

bah, subverters are just too damn powerful... they ain't exactly expensive to research, and they beat any other 'normal' weapon

fighters are useless in the late game due to ppb's and pd, and ship hull's and phased shields and large/heavy mount weapons are the true 'power'...

being able to hold off someone who has researched 4 times more pure research than you just cuz you have subverters is just wrong... which other special tech gives you that?

imho, phased shields should block virus and subverters... at least then you can defend