PBW ethics, opinions please.

[CNCRaymond]

Let me put it this way about using exploits.

A former friend used to love to win, he would do anything to win. When he started to loose, he started to cheating. He liked this, as loosing made him feel bad. Once I discovered he was using a cheat, I started. This sparked a massive debate about ethics. It was ethical for him to cheat because he liked to win, but not ethical for me because I could win without cheating. I never understood his arguement, and stopped playing games with him. Eventually, our friendship ended because of his "Win at all cost" attitude.

So Gravey, if you think it is ok to use an exploit when no one else knows about it, then yes that is cheating. However since you never did this, you have nothing to worry about.

I would like to point out that as long as a cheater can get away with it, they will. People who cheat or violate the game rules don't like the heat that comes with getting cought. They often scamper away, and start a counter argument about why reporting cheaters is bad.

[ January 10, 2003, 21:04: Message edited by: CNCRaymond ]

[Phoenix-D]

"I can relate to suddenly finding a favorite tactic of yours is an exploit -- I liked opening warp points in the same or next system. I was sort of building a hyperspace bypass system for my 8 movement baseships. Can't do that anymore."

This isn't an exploit. Well, to the same system I would say it, but not to the next system over. And certainly not to building a more efficent warp network!

Phoenix-D

[Arkcon]

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
"I can relate to suddenly finding a favorite tactic of yours is an exploit -- I liked opening warp points in the same or next system. I was sort of building a hyperspace bypass system for my 8 movement baseships. Can't do that anymore."

This isn't an exploit. Well, to the same system I would say it, but not to the next system over. And certainly not to building a more efficent warp network!

Phoenix-D

Yeah, well, MM made it so you can't do it anymore, so I guess it is an exploit, innit?

[Wardad]

Banning tech trades and population trades is not as easy as it sounds. The menu check box "No Tech Trades" does not prevent trading ships or planets. There should also be a N0 TRADES box.

Having weaker neighbors to early on (capturing pop and colonizers) can unbalance the game.

Limited warfare can be used to capture population and ships. But.. If there is little risk due to prior agreements, then it is wrong for a no (tech) trade game.

[ January 10, 2003, 21:27: Message edited by: Wardad ]

[Ed Kolis]

Originally posted by Arkcon:
Yeah, well, MM made it so you can't do it anymore, so I guess it is an exploit, innit?

Really? How would they do that?

[gravey101]

>So Gravey, if you think it is ok to use an >exploit when no one else knows about it, then >yes that is cheating.

I have heard this argument time and time again. Who are you to decree what is an exploit and what isn't? The only person who can decide is the game host for the game your are playing. He decides the rules of the game, including whether any of the currently known bugs are ok or not. If you break those rules it is cheating. If you dont then it isn't. Simple as that. If you dont like his decision as to what is ok and what isn't you play something else or start your own game or whatever. What you don't do is lable evryone else who doesn't conform to your view as a cheater.

[gravey101]

and please dont bother with the mythical exploit that only 1 person knows about. The bugs in SEIV very quickly become public knowledge.