Proportions....

[oleg]

Originally posted by PvK:
This is exactly what you see in a lot of sci-fi, btw. That is, practically any sci-fi which includes fighters, makes them quite dangerous to ships, especially if they lack their own fighters or other countermeasures.

PvK

Exactly. "In Death Ground" by S.White&D.Weber is a very good example. Actually, so far that book is a best story writen about SEIV game

[PsychoTechFreak]

PvK, your 1kT troops bring up another idea, maybe this is possible:

What if you could create 1kT Fighters which in fact are 1-man invasion troops with a backpack jet propulsion (I am not sure about the term)?

That would be a nice one.

[PvK]

PTF, are you talking about planetary fighters, a variety of "troops" that help capture planets?

PvK

[MacLeod]

Originally posted by PvK:

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Originally posted by MacLeod:
And why is it set so AI's won't surrender except against the most absolutely absurd odds (10000 to 1). Means there nothing left to do with them but destroy them and that's just a boring waste

Because the hard-coded AI logic would otherwise have intact homeworlds surrendering to aliens who did something like:

1) Blockade their homeworld
2) Build many large ships, even unarmed colony ships, causing the score to tip extremely, even though the high-score empire doesn't really pose a particular threat to the AI.
3) or other silliness

Also, an AI surrender of an intact homeworld, particularly to a human player, is a major game event with major effects in Proportions. It also allows both homeworlds to directly add their research, multiplying research rate, which is something the rest of the mod tries to tone down.

So, the idea is if you want that massive prize, you may have to actually earn it and not take advantage of AI foolishness.

PvK

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Aye, but as it is, the AI is basically unable to surrender as it would require at minimum 40,000 points.
Surrender, I'm pretty sure, it disablable in the game settings, so it's kind of redundant and removes the choice.

PTF, you mean a fighter that can invade a planet? As long as fighters can hold cargo that should be doable, give them one cargo so they can hold a single troop. However, chances are fighters can't

[PvK]

Originally posted by MacLeod:
Aye, but as it is, the AI is basically unable to surrender as it would require at minimum 40,000 points.
Surrender, I'm pretty sure, it disablable in the game settings, so it's kind of redundant and removes the choice.

PTF, you mean a fighter that can invade a planet? As long as fighters can hold cargo that should be doable, give them one cargo so they can hold a single troop. However, chances are fighters can't

Isn't AI surrender based on score ratio? I'm not sure where you get the 40,000 point figure. The problem is, that any empire with an intact homeworld probably has good reason not to surrender, and the AI's current method of scoring and therefore determining whether it will surrender is hopelessly broken by Proportions' large non-combattant (Starliners and Colony Ships) ship sizes and the ability to blockade homeworlds.

If there were a way to disable surrender by default in settings.txt, I might set that for Proportions, but relying on players to find and read instructions in my readme file to get their games to work correctly would result in many players having the wrong settings.

Fighters can't invade planets, and no units can carry other units (unless they're really Ships pretending to be units).

PvK

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[ January 25, 2003, 19:18: Message edited by: PvK ]

[PsychoTechFreak]

Originally posted by PvK:
PTF, are you talking about planetary fighters, a variety of "troops" that help capture planets?

PvK

Well, it came from brainstorming, but I think it should be more a kind of rocket-man who acts like a very small fighter just in ship to ship combats. Hard to be hit. But I guess it could be a problem if too many units are involved, there is a limited number of units for the combat screen? I am going to setup a small test...

PTF

[PvK]

Oh, I see - space infantry, represented by tiny fighters.

Hmmm.

Let us know how your tests go.

PvK