How happiness works? (answer is here)

[Fyron]

Taking 110% in happiness gets your homeworld (that is doing nothing each turn, just sitting there to eliminate other variables in the calculations) to become jubilant in under 10 turns (I forget exactly how long). Leaving it at 100% causes the HW to become indifferent in about a year. So, the happiness trait gives more of a bonus than Asmala's numbers would indicate.

[ February 16, 2003, 01:51: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Asmala]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Taking 110% in happiness gets your homeworld (that is doing nothing each turn, just sitting there to eliminate other variables in the calculations) to become jubilant in under 10 turns (I forget exactly how long). Leaving it at 100% causes the HW to become indifferent in about a year. So, the happiness trait gives more of a bonus than Asmala's numbers would indicate.

My tests indicates different results. I started new game with 110% in happiness and pressed end turns. At turn 2400.5 the people became indifferent. 2% (natural decrease) - 0,2% (race bonus) = 1,8% round down = 1%. Five turns elapsed so 25% + 5* 1% = 30% -> indifferent.

I noticed that people become indifferent even if you have 150% in happiness, but then at next turn they became happy, then indifferent, then happy etc. That happens because when the people are indifferent there is no natural decrease so what is left is -1% by race bonus.

[Asmala]

Originally posted by Grandpa Kim:
From Asmala:

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Every +5% in Happiness causes -0,1% and every -5% in Happiness causes 0,1% change in anger level.

Sounds like you tested this thoroughly but that ratio sounds awfully low to me. Raising your happiness characteristic to 20% would not even come close (only.4%) to counter-acting the 2% natural anger increase of alien races. Seems modifying your your happiness upward would be a waste of points, yet it has always paid dividends for me.

Perhaps I am reading you wrong; my experience says its better than this.

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You're reading perfectly right and I agree, the ratio is very low. You can test it: even if you have 150% in happiness you're own people still become indifferent.

I made another test with 250% in happiness. The result was that my people became jubiliant in 11 turns. 2% (natural decrease) - 3% (race bonus) = -1%. 11 turns -> 25% - 11 * 1 = 14 -> jubiliant.

[Grandpa Kim]

I did some testing myself and came up with substantially the same results as Asmala. Using v.1.84 and keeping all factors default except happiness here is what happened.

Happiness setting_________Drop to indifferent date

100%___________________2400.3
105%___________________2400.5
110%___________________2400.5
115%___________________2400.5
120%___________________2400.5
125%___________________2400.5
150%___________________2400.5

using v.1.78

110%___________________2400.5

It looks like this Asmala is right, and this is the way its always been, yet it does seem to make a difference in the game. Seems awfully wimpy but it does work when combined with all other factors. Remember, this small bonus/penalty acts each and every turn.

[orev_saara]

I'd just like to say that this thread makes me feel very buddhist. How does Happiness work?...

[Fyron]

I don't think this is how it always worked...

[Asmala]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I don't think this is how it always worked...

I don't know how it worked but I'm absolutely sure now it works like I told.