[OT] Cr*ppy Belgium

[Ruatha]

I belive that Puke hit the nails head. A bit honesty would improve others view on the US strategy and might even get people to approve.

[ February 12, 2003, 09:10: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[Rollo]

aye, Puke. Well said.

In response to US troops in Europe (or worldwide for that matter). Do you really think that these troops are there to defend helpless allies and the US is doing everyone a favor on the tax payer's expense?
No, these troops serve to protect US interest worldwide and conduct military campaigns around the globe. How do you think the US can deploy troops to the middle east and maitain their supply lines without bases in Europe?
Don't get me wrong, I do realize that there are many benefits for the other countries as well (yes, and also protection). The point is that the US would shoot themselves in the foot to abandon their bases.

[damien]

this from an Iraqi blog
http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/

"the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do."
-- Samuel P. Huntington

:: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 ::
:: salam pax 2:55 AM [+] ::
The whole region is a cesspool. dictatorships are all around the arab
region. Turkey and Iran fair just as bad as the rest of the lot. But the
benevolent western eye looks at Iraq only.
Thank you for your keen interest in the human rights situation in my
country,
thank you turning a blind eye for thirty years,
thank you for providing the support for my government to send 2 million
Iraqis to war with Iran and getting them killed,
thank you for not minding the development of chemical weapons by a nut case
when you knew he was a nut case,
thank you for not minding that members of the Iraqi communist party get acid
baths (you don't think that this was used for the first time in Kuwait do
you?, the government used these baths since the late 70's),
thank you for ignoring all human rights organizations when it came to the
plight of the Iraqi people,
thank you for keeping sanctions which you knew only weakened the people and
had no effect on the government.
Thank you for knowing all this and not minding.
For all your efforts I salute you with a hearty **** YOU.

There isn't a single bit of information which is not old and has been
rehashed by many human rights organizations before, so what makes you so
worried about how I manage to live in this **** hole now?
Don't read it if you are faint hearted, that is except if your name was
Raed, he has to because I say so.
Not a single line would raise an Iraqi eyebrow with amazement. This is how
it is and how it has been. Everyone heard a thousand horror stories, others
have witnessed them and still live here. Bite your tongue and move on. Don't
ask.

I forgot to thank all the western construction companies who have built the
mentioned prisons, and the eastern European countries who provided the
training.

So now you care? I don't know whether I am angry, sad or scared. You had the
reports all the time and you knew. What makes today different than a year
ago?

"No one doubts the barbarism of Saddam Hussein. It dates back to the period
when, under a Conservative government, the UK was willing to sell him
arms-related equipment and to give him substantial financial credit so that
he could afford to make purchases."
so while you're at it why don't you pull out the dossier about Syria? Or
maybe Turkey? I am sure you are already layouting the Saudi dossier and
making it look as nice as the Iraqi dossier, very good layouting don't you
think so?

[Some1]

If the US would have signed Kyoto,...

If the US would have agreed the Global Justice court,...

If the US would agree to dismantle their own chemical, boilogical and nuclear weapons,...

If the US would care about human rights (even in their own country),...

If the US would be equal against (example) Saudi Aribia as vs Iraq(in their war against Terror),......

If the US really means to save the iraqi people from their cruel leader,...

If the US would treat palestinian people as PEOPLE

and a lot more...

If the US...I could 'support' the US, and with me a lot (people/countries) around the world...

But this war, is like supporting one dictator vs the other (And i see as the US as a dictator), in the end u are sorry.

R.

p.s. IF the US had a better president (rather then a couple of big Corporations, as leader).... a lot of this would not have happend...

(edit)p.s. i didn't see the post below, but i agree.

[ February 12, 2003, 10:20: Message edited by: Some1 ]

[Fyron]

p.s. IF the US had a better president (rather then a couple of big Corporations, as leader).... a lot of this would not have happend...

Sorry, but the US is not run by corporations. The leaders of those corporations, like rich people in every nation on the face of the planet, do have some room to make suggestions to Bush and the Congress and all. But, they do not control the government.

[couslee]

rant
OIC, so if the USA intervenes in the issues, they they are wrong for violating the soverntry of another nation and accused of trying to "conquer the world" so they can have oily rubbers. And if they leave it up to which ever government that is in power to correct the wrongs in THEIR country, the USA is wrong and accused of turning a blind eye..... Kiss my arse. If the USA is going to be wrong no matter what they do, then IMNSHO they should do it right. And interpret that anyway you want.
/rant

On the lighter side, I really hope Saddam's latest cooperations is genuine and not another delay tactic. if genuine, then fantastic, a war can be averted. If it's more BS, then he has comming whatever happens. I think the there has been more than enough latitude given for him to cooperate.

[minipol]

Originally posted by primitive:
It's far better to have one weak enemy you know and can control, then to have enemies you don't know.

Not in alle cases. In the meanwhile he's still funding terrorists. Plus the embargo against Iraq is still in place. Do you really think they would lift the embargo while Saddam is in place?
I think ( you can never be sure, not in this political climate) that after a war, the embargo would be lifted, opening the door for aid to the people of Iraq. If the aid would reach those that really need it is another question.

How would you solve these issues while leaving Saddam in place. I don't think you can.