PBW Racial Point Set Up Styles

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Zarix:
Reducing cunning could be risky. Someone with aggressive intelligence plan could prevent someone with 50% cunning from reseaching intel 3 with technological sabotage.

Then their aggressive intel attacks are pretty much wasted.

You will probably want to raise Reproduction to cover the loss taken from lowering ER. As I recall each 3rd point of ER drops 1 point of reproduction, so lowering ER by 20 points to 80, and raising reproduction by 6 points gives no net effect and a return of 350 racial points.

No. Every 5 points of ER = 1 point of Reproduction and 1 point of Happiness.

[ March 03, 2003, 20:19: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[gravey101]

ah, ok - thanks.
I certainly wasn't aware that lowering ER lowered happiness.

[Fyron]

It is hard to tell, as the effects on overall anger levels are not very great. But, it is there.

Lowering ER to 50 (or 80) is actually a bad idea. Lowering it to 51 (or 81) only gives 10 less points, but you get 1 less penalty in reproduction and happiness. Those 10 points are not worth the cost of increasing Reproduction and Happiness to compensate.

[ March 03, 2003, 20:30: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[spoon]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

Lowering ER to 50 (or 80) is actually a bad idea. Lowering it to 51 (or 81) only gives 10 less points, but you get 1 less penalty in reproduction and happiness. Those 10 points are not worth the cost of increasing Reproduction and Happiness to compensate.

There you go. Learn something new everyday... I'd revise my earlier suggestion to only lower ER to 51... And add a few points to reproduction.

[gravey101]

problem there is that from 80 to 51 you are only getting 50 points per lowering of 5 ER, and presumably needing 50 point of happiness and repro to offset that lowering for a net effect of nothing. The only gain is in the 100-80 range, and as Fryon correctly points out, your best best is to lower it to 81, and raise Repro and Happiness by 3 each.

[spoon]

Originally posted by gravey101:
problem there is that from 80 to 51 you are only getting 50 points per lowering of 5 ER, and presumably needing 50 point of happiness and repro to offset that lowering for a net effect of nothing. The only gain is in the 100-80 range, and as Fryon correctly points out, your best best is to lower it to 81, and raise Repro and Happiness by 3 each.

Good point. Though I'd probably still leave Happy and Repro at 100%, as I haven't had problems with them even after dropping ER to 50%.

Also, Fyron, where did you get your information? Did you have to test it with a test-mod? I ask because dropping reproduction by 9% seemed more drastic (in-game) than dropping ER by 50%. Maybe my tests were done after I dropped ER to 50, then lowered Reproduction... I'll have to check again.

[Fyron]

Originally posted by gravey101:
problem there is that from 80 to 51 you are only getting 50 points per lowering of 5 ER, and presumably needing 50 point of happiness and repro to offset that lowering for a net effect of nothing. The only gain is in the 100-80 range, and as Fryon correctly points out, your best best is to lower it to 81, and raise Repro and Happiness by 3 each.

That is why you take Berzerkers and get a 5% bonus to happiness. Then, you don't need to spend those points to increase happiness by 5 points, and can still gain a profit. See how berzerkers keeps coming out on top?

Also, Fyron, where did you get your information? Did you have to test it with a test-mod? I ask because dropping reproduction by 9% seemed more drastic (in-game) than dropping ER by 50%. Maybe my tests were done after I dropped ER to 50, then lowered Reproduction... I'll have to check again.

Extensive testing a while back, though I used no mods. I think I posted some results in the PvK Balance Mod thread, or maybe it was in the thread that sparked that thread. I'm not sure.

[ March 04, 2003, 05:54: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]