Fyron's 5000th Post

[Fyron]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
You can have a glass of wine with your parents at dinner table.

I was not talking a bunch of 17 year olds hanging out with a bunch of 22 year olds...

Yes I know Tesco. But it is still equally illegal for parents to give alcohol to their children that are under 21.

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Ruatha:

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Originally posted by tesco samoa:
that's drink in a public place...

It is legal for you to drink at home with an adult.

Interesting.

In sweden you are allowed to drink in restaurants and pubs when you are 18, but not at home or anywhere else until you are 20.
Then you can drink wherever you want to that is not forbidden by local rules (i e you can't drink on public markets etc).

The logic is that you then have two years to learn to drink socially under some kind of supervision by the employees at the pubs/restaurants. If people get too drunk and still get's served the pub/restaurant will loose their permit to serve alcoholic beverages.

(I read Fyrons comment but still thought this was an interesting remark)

Studies has shown that children who are allowed "social" drinking at dinners etc at home, tend to consume more alcohol then those who get's a simple "No".
The early "controlled" allowence theory doesn't work.

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Hmmm.

There may be some misinterpretation here.

Very young children should not be allowed to ingest alcohol for many reasons. The most obvious is that they are in a state of accelerated growth and excess alcohol is a poison.

The studies are probably correct. But I think the conditions under which they are conducted are relevant. If the parents are excessively permissive, I can see the study giving the results it does.

The opposite extreme is the rigid, domineering parent who says "no" with implied malice.

Somewhere in between is the loving, concerned and involved parent who oversees the event.

The latter parent is excercising the discipline most young children have not developed. As the child displays appropriate responsibility, there is less need for the overseeing parent.

Some societies drink wine with their meals every day. I believe the French may be a good example. However acceptable it is to have alcohol with their meal, I don't feel it is appropriate for a child to have the same privilege.

IMO, that would be excessive.

[Ruatha]

Well, for my part i belive that as a loving parent I'll say no so long as I can, atleast until they are 18.
No malice intended, but if alcohol was introduced today it would have been Banned.
As it is now I use it on occasion, but it is a powerful and potentially dangerous drug.

Many people point at countries where there is a more liberal view on alcohol, France as an example and says "Se, you can drink without getting drunk". But France has a high rate of alcohol induced diseases.
So for my kids sake I'll try to keep them from alcohol as long as I can, and I'll make sure they know what I think about it.

I won't "punish" them if they get home drunk sometime, but there will be a discussion following when they sober up.
I'm sure they'll get drunk before it's legal to be so, but I hope to be able to minimize these occasions and perhaps give them enough self esteem to say no, and hopefully learn after the first time that it isn't so grand to be loaded.

But somethings one propably has to learn by doing ones own mistakes.

[ April 14, 2003, 07:28: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[Taera]

interesting how the topic drifted
i dont even know my post count.. why do you all care so much for it?

Edit: 816 Posts since July 19, 2001. Is that not alot or what?

[ April 14, 2003, 07:31: Message edited by: Taera ]

[Taera]

to add on the current topic, i am the "child" who had been introduced to alcohol a while ago. Being curious as I am i was introduced to root beer and perharps beer (dont remember) at age of about 8. Didnt remember much of it, neither liked, but the curiosity went away.
I didnt even know the legal drinking age in israel (i believe its 18). I always drink wine (usually white) with my parents on special occasions (like birthdays or new year) and been doing so for quite a long time. I also have been, being 14 and 15 and 16 yrs old, drinking beer with my friends. I can sa that my curiosity satisfied, i dont find it too much interesting. Yes it warms you up a little and opens you up a little too but thats it. A can or two with friends is fine, thats it.
OTOH those same friends come from NO families. They LOVE drinking.

talk about the theory.

EDIT: typo

[ April 14, 2003, 07:35: Message edited by: Taera ]

[Ruatha]

Tehre is always exceptions to the rules.
There are people who have been smoking extensively and drinking often that live to become odler than 100 years.
that doesn't make it a healthy lifestyle.

AS to your friends, yes, these things happens.
I've had friends whose been members of organizations against alcohol but still drank alot. But if you look on it in a bigger population scale, "No" wins.
Will look up the reference later, (Should be working now).

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EDIT:
Ok, it seems the significance is weak, 4% more of the children with parents "allowing" some drinking, drinks more than those who says "No".
(Røysamb E, Friestad C. Rusbruk og foreldrerelasjoner gjennom ungdomsårene. Bergen: HEMIL-Sentret, 1998)

Will look further into this.
More info later...

[ April 14, 2003, 11:46: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[Atrocities]

Funny how things work out huh? My parents never really had alcohol around and even when they did my sister brothers and I never realy cared.

However, today my step sister and brother are big time drinkers. I found out that their grandfather is an alcoholic but there mother is not. Their real father is though.

Not that any one cares, but this I think proves that it is possible that alcoholism runs in families. My blood brother and I will drink, neither he nor I care for it. My real sister is gone. No, not by a drunk driver thank god, just some kid learning how to drive. I guess that makes it better. I think it does.