OT : Australian intervention in Solomon Islands

[narf poit chez BOOM]

i put the commoness of sex as one of the major causes of relationship breakups, divorces and general unsatisfication with marraige. as well as unwanted pregnancies, sexually transmitted deseases and people who will do anything to get into someone's pants. all of which is reduced or eliminated if there's no sex outside marriage. oh, yeah, there's no good reason not to get marriad relitivily young. but statistics say aviod the spring, get married in the fall. people are more sensible then.

it's a simple principle. if you take something special and make it common, then it's no longer special.

[Loser]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
i put the commoness of sex as one of the major causes of relationship breakups, divorces and general unsatisfication with marraige. as well as unwanted pregnancies, sexually transmitted deseases and people who will do anything to get into someone's pants. all of which is reduced or eliminated if there's no sex outside marriage. oh, yeah, there's no good reason not to get marriad relitivily young. but statistics say aviod the spring, get married in the fall. people are more sensible then.

it's a simple principle. if you take something special and make it common, then it's no longer special.

It's a simple principle that may or may not apply to sex.

The fact is that there were plenty of divorces, unwanted pregnancies, STDs, and unscrupulous rakes back in more austere periods of history. It simply wasn't talked about back then. I know this for a fact because it happened quite a bit in my families history and, thinking this must be some terribly uncommon trend, I eventually looked deeper into the issue.

The problems were just covered up better back then. A good percentage of Charm Schools and Boarding Schools were actually Schools for Wayward Girls (institutions for hiding pregnancy). Lack of birth control just meant that most 'loose women' were professionals, and the natural increase in prostitution adds to organized crime, it does not add to general virtue.

There will be sex, always. If you make marriage such a binding thing you will only make sex out of marriage more common, as a couple will get married to have sex ("because they love each other") then look elsewhere for satisfaction when their juvenile relationship skills make them miserable in each other's company.

You cannot eliminate sex outside of marriage. It has never been done (though I have heard the native people of Tasmania were free of adultery, I do not know this to be a fact, and look what happened to them).

Before we talk this particular discussion any further (in a separate thread) I'd have to do the ageist thing and ask both how old you are and how many years you spent as a parent-freed adult before you got in a cohabitated relationship.

[oleg]

Yes, I was a bit sarcastic. I did cry watching the horror of sept.11. I will give anything to bring the responsible to justice. But I'm petrified by actions of US goverment. Saddam was a brutal and despicable dictater. BUT he had nothing to do with Al-Queda. Nor were the misguided British muslims who came to Afganistan to defend their religion. Now they face the court-martial without any hope of fair trail.
You want justice ? Bring up Osama before the court. Where is he ? Why did we invade Irag instead ??

[Baron Grazic]

Originally posted by loser:
It has never been done (though I have heard the native people of Tasmania were free of adultery, I do not know this to be a fact, and look what happened to them)

What happened in Tasmania? And I assume you don't mean Tasmania, Australia?

I am afraid to say, but I think the bombings in Bali effected the Australian people more than the 9/11 event. The reason being, the 9/11 event was reported via TV and seemed remote, while the Bali bombings happened at a time when many Australian's where there, including many of our Star Footballers (Australian Rules Football).
I think this was a reason for our solid support of the US in Iraq. both terrorist events forming a bonding between our 2 nations.
It could also explain why the Australian Government wants to send troops to the Solomons, to ensure peace in our reason.

Australia doesn't have an official short name, other than AUST, so we just say OZ.
Tbontob was completely correct - OZ = Aus
I'm sure that their is a reference to the Wizard of OZ too?

I was watching a UK quiz show Last night and 8 out of 10 people, didn't know who the Priminister of Australia was... I'm interested, in how many of you guys (and the few ladies) know???

Deccan might have to answer about the situations in the Solomon Islands.
What I have 'heard' is Harold Keke, a local 'Warlord' and his supports have reportedly killed 50-200 people, destroyed villages, kidnapped people, and made between 1000-2000 people homeless. The remoteness of where is seems to be operating from leaves a lot of room for mis-information and/or exaggeration, and makes it hard to confirm details.

Perhaps Deccan can say what the local information is on the topic...

[Thermodyne]

When a Nation, any nation, is unable to control the actions of the people that live there to the
point that it adversely affects their neighbors, then they should expect said neighbors to
intervene.

From the research that I have done, it would appear that the situation in the Solomon’s is such
that the government can not regain control with out the help of outsiders. The government is
also over the Last decade, been unwilling to make needed reforms. When a government looses
both the support of the majority of the people and the ability to control them, then the
government has lost its mandate to rule. This is a prime example of why foreign intervention
happens.

If the people support Keke, then they should rise up and seize their birthright and replace the
government. If they don’t support Keke, then they should seek him and his out and destroy this
threat to their homeland. If they allow the AU’s in under these terms, they will soon be second
class people in their own country.

Personally, I think the truth lies in the deep sea geology of the region. The people of the
Solomon’s should be bombarding the UN with requests for military aid that originates from
countries more neutral to the long term outcome. If these people don’t take a proactive stance
and force this issue to the front page of western news outlets, they will not get the help that they
deserve.

[Loser]

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
What happened in Tasmania? And I assume you don't mean Tasmania, Australia?

What other Tasmania? Althought there seems to be more questions here than I was previously aware of.

[Baron Grazic]

I thought their might have been another Tasmania in the US, or somewhere else.
I've heard of stories along these lines, but I'm staggered by those figures...
Some of the claims, I would want to see their evidence before giving them another thought, but then again, I could be biased. Some of my distant relatives were sent to Tassie as convicts...

But this is a different topic again from the Solomons...

[ July 10, 2003, 01:18: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]