Shipyard Mod Idea

Aussie Gamer · #1 February 25th, 2001, 11:27 PM

I think that a fatser rate of production on Space based yards is a good idea, as if you think about it you can gain access to the entire ship. This would allow for a faster construction of ships.

See Massive Ship Yards for my ideas on that subject.

I don't think that slowing done the planet based ones though is a good idea though, at the start of the game you only get yards 1, not very fast. With this level of tech at the start planets should build faster. Think about now in the USA. They build on the planet. But in the future mankind would most likely build massive ships off-planet, higher tech!!

DirectorTsaarx · #2 February 26th, 2001, 06:12 PM

Maybe a solution is to add the faster space-based shipyards as higher tech areas on the research tree. In other words, continue the progression for Space Yards to levels 4-6; include both the regular-sized yards, with progressively faster rates, and the massive yards; maybe continue the tree to level 9, with faster rates for the massive yards. Something like:

Space Yards level 4: Space Yard IV, Massive Space Yard I

Space Yards level 5: Space Yard V, Massive Space Yard II

etc.

BTW - I really like the Temporal Space Yards the way they are. Building at a rate of 9000 min/org/rad per turn (after bonuses, of course)... now THAT'S the way to defeat your enemies!!!

raynor · #3 February 27th, 2001, 01:32 AM

I wish there were some way you could design a massive space yard so that as a whole, it has a production of, for example, 6000 per turn. But it requires four components on four starbases to get that rate. Otherwise, if you only have three, you get 4500, two 3000 and one 1500, or some such arrangement.

I wonder if you would twist the RingWorld code to do this? I guess I just want a Massive Space Yard to be truly *massive*...

Puke · #4 February 27th, 2001, 03:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by raynor:
I wish there were some way you could design a massive space yard ...

create a hull more than 2x the size of a starbase, and make it require more life support stations than will FIT on a starbase. then make a shipyard component to take up the rest of the space that will also be too big to fit on a starbase. if you want, you can custom make a life support unit for it that has a hundred or so life support functions. this will make sure that it is to expensive to build for any other reason than for this one SY component, and for anything else you are just better off building SBs. of course, the whole idea breaks down when someone puts a master computer on one. not quite sure what to do about that.

or just do it on the same hull and make it as expensive as you want both resource and research wise, as the A.G. points out above.

Thanks AG.

[This message has been edited by Puke (edited 27 February 2001).]

Aussie Gamer · #5 February 27th, 2001, 04:15 AM

Enjoy!!!!

Name := Massive Space Yard I
Description := Space based ship construction component.
Pic Num := 49
Tonnage Space Taken := 400
Tonnage Structure := 200
Cost Minerals := 5000
Cost Organics := 1000
Cost Radioactives := 1000
Vehicle Type := Base
Supply Amount Used := 0
Restrictions := None
General Group := Construction
Family := 6
Roman Numeral := 3
Custom Group := 0
Number of Tech Req := 1
Tech Area Req 1 := Space Yards
Tech Level Req 1 := 2
Number of Abilities := 4
Ability 1 Type := Space Yard
Ability 1 Descr := Can construct with 3000 minerals per turn.
Ability 1 Val 1 := 1
Ability 1 Val 2 := 3000
Ability 2 Type := Space Yard
Ability 2 Descr := Can construct with 3000 organics per turn.
Ability 2 Val 1 := 2
Ability 2 Val 2 := 3000
Ability 3 Type := Space Yard
Ability 3 Descr := Can construct with 3000 radioactives per turn.
Ability 3 Val 1 := 3
Ability 3 Val 2 := 3000
Ability 4 Type := Component Repair
Ability 4 Descr := Can repair 5 components per turn.
Ability 4 Val 1 := 5
Ability 4 Val 2 := 0
Weapon Type := None

Name := Massive Space Yard II
Description := Space based ship construction component.
Pic Num := 49
Tonnage Space Taken := 800
Tonnage Structure := 400
Cost Minerals := 10000
Cost Organics := 2000
Cost Radioactives := 2000
Vehicle Type := Base
Supply Amount Used := 0
Restrictions := None
General Group := Construction
Family := 6
Roman Numeral := 3
Custom Group := 0
Number of Tech Req := 2
Tech Area Req 1 := Space Yards
Tech Level Req 1 := 3
Tech Area Req 2 := Base Construction
Tech Level Req 2 := 2
Number of Abilities := 4
Ability 1 Type := Space Yard
Ability 1 Descr := Can construct with 4000 minerals per turn.
Ability 1 Val 1 := 1
Ability 1 Val 2 := 4000
Ability 2 Type := Space Yard
Ability 2 Descr := Can construct with 4000 organics per turn.
Ability 2 Val 1 := 2
Ability 2 Val 2 := 4000
Ability 3 Type := Space Yard
Ability 3 Descr := Can construct with 4000 radioactives per turn.
Ability 3 Val 1 := 3
Ability 3 Val 2 := 4000
Ability 4 Type := Component Repair
Ability 4 Descr := Can repair 8 components per turn.
Ability 4 Val 1 := 8
Ability 4 Val 2 := 0
Weapon Type := None

Name := Massive Space Yard III
Description := Space based ship construction component.
Pic Num := 49
Tonnage Space Taken := 2400
Tonnage Structure := 1000
Cost Minerals := 20000
Cost Organics := 4000
Cost Radioactives := 4000
Vehicle Type := Base
Supply Amount Used := 0
Restrictions := None
General Group := Construction
Family := 6
Roman Numeral := 3
Custom Group := 0
Number of Tech Req := 2
Tech Area Req 1 := Space Yards
Tech Level Req 1 := 4
Tech Area Req 2 := Base Construction
Tech Level Req 2 := 3
Number of Abilities := 4
Ability 1 Type := Space Yard
Ability 1 Descr := Can construct with 5000 minerals per turn.
Ability 1 Val 1 := 1
Ability 1 Val 2 := 5000
Ability 2 Type := Space Yard
Ability 2 Descr := Can construct with 5000 organics per turn.
Ability 2 Val 1 := 2
Ability 2 Val 2 := 5000
Ability 3 Type := Space Yard
Ability 3 Descr := Can construct with 5000 radioactives per turn.
Ability 3 Val 1 := 3
Ability 3 Val 2 := 5000
Ability 4 Type := Component Repair
Ability 4 Descr := Can repair 10 components per turn.
Ability 4 Val 1 := 10
Ability 4 Val 2 := 0
Weapon Type := None

As you see you have to increase yards to 4 that's all......

Aussie Gamer · #6 February 27th, 2001, 04:15 AM

Enjoy!!!!

Name := Massive Space Yard I
Description := Space based ship construction component.
Pic Num := 49
Tonnage Space Taken := 400
Tonnage Structure := 200
Cost Minerals := 5000
Cost Organics := 1000
Cost Radioactives := 1000
Vehicle Type := Base
Supply Amount Used := 0
Restrictions := None
General Group := Construction
Family := 6
Roman Numeral := 3
Custom Group := 0
Number of Tech Req := 1
Tech Area Req 1 := Space Yards
Tech Level Req 1 := 2
Number of Abilities := 4
Ability 1 Type := Space Yard
Ability 1 Descr := Can construct with 3000 minerals per turn.
Ability 1 Val 1 := 1
Ability 1 Val 2 := 3000
Ability 2 Type := Space Yard
Ability 2 Descr := Can construct with 3000 organics per turn.
Ability 2 Val 1 := 2
Ability 2 Val 2 := 3000
Ability 3 Type := Space Yard
Ability 3 Descr := Can construct with 3000 radioactives per turn.
Ability 3 Val 1 := 3
Ability 3 Val 2 := 3000
Ability 4 Type := Component Repair
Ability 4 Descr := Can repair 5 components per turn.
Ability 4 Val 1 := 5
Ability 4 Val 2 := 0
Weapon Type := None

Name := Massive Space Yard II
Description := Space based ship construction component.
Pic Num := 49
Tonnage Space Taken := 800
Tonnage Structure := 400
Cost Minerals := 10000
Cost Organics := 2000
Cost Radioactives := 2000
Vehicle Type := Base
Supply Amount Used := 0
Restrictions := None
General Group := Construction
Family := 6
Roman Numeral := 3
Custom Group := 0
Number of Tech Req := 2
Tech Area Req 1 := Space Yards
Tech Level Req 1 := 3
Tech Area Req 2 := Base Construction
Tech Level Req 2 := 2
Number of Abilities := 4
Ability 1 Type := Space Yard
Ability 1 Descr := Can construct with 4000 minerals per turn.
Ability 1 Val 1 := 1
Ability 1 Val 2 := 4000
Ability 2 Type := Space Yard
Ability 2 Descr := Can construct with 4000 organics per turn.
Ability 2 Val 1 := 2
Ability 2 Val 2 := 4000
Ability 3 Type := Space Yard
Ability 3 Descr := Can construct with 4000 radioactives per turn.
Ability 3 Val 1 := 3
Ability 3 Val 2 := 4000
Ability 4 Type := Component Repair
Ability 4 Descr := Can repair 8 components per turn.
Ability 4 Val 1 := 8
Ability 4 Val 2 := 0
Weapon Type := None

Name := Massive Space Yard III
Description := Space based ship construction component.
Pic Num := 49
Tonnage Space Taken := 2400
Tonnage Structure := 1000
Cost Minerals := 20000
Cost Organics := 4000
Cost Radioactives := 4000
Vehicle Type := Base
Supply Amount Used := 0
Restrictions := None
General Group := Construction
Family := 6
Roman Numeral := 3
Custom Group := 0
Number of Tech Req := 2
Tech Area Req 1 := Space Yards
Tech Level Req 1 := 4
Tech Area Req 2 := Base Construction
Tech Level Req 2 := 3
Number of Abilities := 4
Ability 1 Type := Space Yard
Ability 1 Descr := Can construct with 5000 minerals per turn.
Ability 1 Val 1 := 1
Ability 1 Val 2 := 5000
Ability 2 Type := Space Yard
Ability 2 Descr := Can construct with 5000 organics per turn.
Ability 2 Val 1 := 2
Ability 2 Val 2 := 5000
Ability 3 Type := Space Yard
Ability 3 Descr := Can construct with 5000 radioactives per turn.
Ability 3 Val 1 := 3
Ability 3 Val 2 := 5000
Ability 4 Type := Component Repair
Ability 4 Descr := Can repair 10 components per turn.
Ability 4 Val 1 := 10
Ability 4 Val 2 := 0
Weapon Type := None

As you see you have to increase yards to 4 that's all......

raynor · #7 February 27th, 2001, 04:43 AM

I don't think what you suggested would do what I want. It's my fault. I wasn't very clear about what I was thinking. Can I try again, please?

First, let's just use existing vehicle sizes. That should simplify it so you don't confuse me.

Let's say I want a component whose size is 2480 KT so it will only fit on a StarBase with a Master Computer III. Together, they add up to the size of the StarBase. Let's just call it a Massive Space Yard and leave it at just one tech level. This component can't build anything or repair anything. It is as useful as the RingWorld's Gravity Plating or Cabling by itself.

I also want a Massive Space Yard Control component which I'll also say I want to be 2480 KT. This component has all the attributes of a shipyard except, of course, that it builds at a rate of 6000 per turn. In addition, this component will not operate unless there are four Massive Space Yard components present in the same sector.

(Ideally, I would like this component to build at 1500,3000,4500 with just 1, 2, or 3 components in the same sector. But to keep it simple for me to understand, let's just say the only way it operates is at 6000 per turn with 4 components in the same sector.)

Hmm... maybe the key difference between what you are suggesting and what I'm thinking of is the stipulation that ALL four are equally sized. Plus, I don't want to make something bigger than a Starbase. Instead, I want 5 equally sized starbases. In my earlier post, I said just 4. But 5 seems to make more sense in terms of a control object similar to the RingWorld generator.

[This message has been edited by raynor (edited 27 February 2001).]