SE4 Rating System

Alneyan · #1 November 23rd, 2003, 02:58 AM

If Slynky allows such a change, I could be rated instead of Cybersol, as I took over his Empire. I would not mind, this game being still in its early stages.

Slynky · #2 November 22nd, 2003, 08:17 PM

Last item on the "Rules" page reads:

"(6) If you fail to finish a game for any reason, it will be considered a forfeit/loss unless the victor agrees to the reason for the failure to complete the game."

First, we need to decide if Cybersol's drop should be counted as a forfeit. From what I'm guessing, it is believed that real life caused the drop and not a losing position. The other players being rated in this game should state if they feel the drop should be allowed without it counting as a loss for Cybersol.

That's the first item to be dealt with.

Second, whether to allow Alneyan to count the game as a rated game for himself. My personal feeling is that (after 27 turns) Cybersol played enough of the game that it's a bit difficult to give all the credit of any potential win to Alneyan. Or say that Alneyan deserved the loss if it happened. So, my thought is that the game should continue without Alneyan's position being rated. BUT, I think it's fair to hear some other thoughts on this problem as well.

Sooo...?

Alneyan · #3 November 22nd, 2003, 08:56 PM

So it is a complicated matter. Erh... I see, it wasn't exactly the sort of input you expected. If you do want to complicate matters even more, you could consider Cybersol was not the only one responsible for the current situation (and for the outcome of the game, whatever it is), but Primitive as well played a major part. For the sake of simplicity, this shouldn't be taken into account though.

So. I can see your concerns, I do have an asset by taking over a developed position with a strong ally. So it would not be exactly fair for me to earn all points from a potential win. I think I shouldn't be rated in this game then, which will only leave the problem of Cybersol withdrawal for the other rated players to solve.

My two mineral cents worth.

Slynky · #4 November 22nd, 2003, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alneyan:
If you do want to complicate matters even more, you could consider Cybersol was not the only one responsible for the current situation (and for the outcome of the game, whatever it is), but Primitive as well played a major part.

That is certainly true but that aspect is the same in every multi-player game. What is not the same is someone dropping and someone else wanting to take the position and have it rated.

Thanks for bowing out of the rating request.

It makes matters more simple now. Hope you aren't upset...but if you are, you have the golden opportunity to get even now...

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Asmala · #5 November 22nd, 2003, 09:21 PM

I think we should just wipe off Cybersol from Pair's rated players list. Only a few people have met other people yet so it would be too easy points.

Alneyan · #6 November 22nd, 2003, 09:25 PM

Yes you are right, but I believe it is even more important in this game, as coordination in the team is much more needed than in other games. But I digress, as we agree on what to do with my suggestion so.

Why would I be upset? It was merely a suggestion rather than a request, in case it would have helped you. Of course, either it would solve the problem, or it would make matters that more complicated. And given your argument, it makes sense that I am not allowed to "take over" his rating. So I am perfectly fine with your decision, but I will still trying to convert this opportunity into a win. Wishful thinking on my part.

Baron Grazic · #7 November 24th, 2003, 01:16 AM

I was actually going to suggest just dropping Cybersol from the rating. I'd like to take victory points over Cybersol, but we never actually meet, so doesn't sound fair.

I'd be happy for Alneyan to count this as a rating game, since it is still early, he is taking over a rated empire and I can't see the game ending this year anyway, but this is just my 2 cents.