Proportions shell armor and ... minesweeping armor?

[Fyron]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
well, if you could somehow make a mount that only affects minesweepers and have it reduce the size...

And you can. One of the patches added the ability to have mounts affect specific component families only.

[PvK]

Yeah... in Proportions, it'd need to be a reverse of the Scale Mount series... However I'm still waiting to be told what the original conceptual connection between scale-mounted shell/plate armor and minesweeping was.

PvK

[Ed Kolis]

Well in Proportions, doesn't most armor block some amount of damage per shot? So imagine using an armored ship as sort of a "brute force" minesweeper - just detonate them harmlessly against the armor.

Of course, given that mines do damage in the hundreds and armor blocks around 1-5 per shot, not counting emissive armor, I don't really see how that would make much sense anyway... unless you consider mine explosions to do their damage in the form of a huge number of tiny shrapnel projectiles, which isn't all that unreasonable...

[oleg]

I don't think EA ability works on mines. damage is calculated outside the combat.

as to the armour cost - I think shell armour could be made cheaper, but "internal" advanced armour should still be expensive at high levels.

[Suicide Junkie]

EA dosen't stack either, so even if it did work, you'd only take off 1-5 damage points (whatever the strongest surviving EA ability is)

[PvK]

Originally posted by oleg:
I don't think EA ability works on mines. damage is calculated outside the combat.

as to the armour cost - I think shell armour could be made cheaper, but "internal" advanced armour should still be expensive at high levels.

Oh, I agree the internal advanced armor costs are good. It's just the armored shells that are probably overpriced, and could stand to have a bit more structutre themselves.

I would hope that EA would apply to mine explosions.

And now that Ed mentions it, I can see how it could make sense to use armor to protect somewhat against minefields (not to sweep them) just with the EA. It would work well assuming EA would (not stack but) apply once to each mine explosion, and if mine damage were greatly reduced (I hear SJ did that in P&N and removed minesweepers, which seems like a neat change).

PvK

[JLS]

Originally posted by Ed Kolis:
Well in Proportions, doesn't most armor block some amount of damage per shot? So imagine using an armored ship as sort of a "brute force" minesweeper - just detonate them harmlessly against the armor.

Of course, given that mines do damage in the hundreds and armor blocks around 1-5 per shot, not counting emissive armor, I don't really see how that would make much sense anyway... unless you consider mine explosions to do their damage in the form of a huge number of tiny shrapnel projectiles, which isn't all that unreasonable...

Exactly, the premise is that the larger the displacement of the vessel the greater the (scale mount) in Armor Plate that could be Installed.

If it was possible to put the (Minesweeping Ability) on the scale mount, then as the ship displacement increases then so to the amount of mines required to do damage….

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Yeah... in Proportions, it'd need to be a reverse of the Scale Mount series... However I'm still waiting to be told what the original conceptual connection between scale-mounted shell/plate armor and minesweeping was.

PvK

PVK, in regards to Mine Sweeping Abilities this is just the title for the actual se4 action and not meant literally in my presentation.

The intention is that, the amount of mines required and/or actually expended would be increased as the scale of Armor Plating is increased by the Ships Displacement.

I humbly ask, can this be done with Plate Armor, and is there any advise to actually make this happen with the CompEnhancement mounts ?

[ September 07, 2003, 15:28: Message edited by: JLS ]