OT: future of a manned space exploration.

[Narrew]

Originally posted by Parasite:

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Originally posted by Narrew:
... go to Mars, and claim it as their own ...

Unfortunately the USA has signed a treaty (The Moon treaty ) that disallows claiming space objects for goverments or private industries. Many think this is causing companies not to try to go to space to get resources (the obvious reason after lebensraum). The emphasis is all on Space Tourism, Satillite Graveyards, and such.

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Whats this lebensraum your talking about?

Also, I am not a rocket scientist, nor a lawyer, but wth good is a treaty if they aint up there, I mean, lets say again for argument, that a HUGE corporation decided to make space exploration a reality. Said Corp mines an asteroid, brings back material, before arrival they get wind of a court order to confiscate it on return, so they land in a 3rd world country that never signed the treaty, has an agreement with the Corp that the country will get an import fee to build up that country and they will support that Corp. So now what?

I just cant see what anyone could do, with things the way they are now, there is no super power in space, I dont consider that space station nothing more than a novelty item. So couldn't someone just thumb their noses at anyone that tried to impose that treaty. If a company had the resources to colonize mars, what would keep them from claiming it all if no one else could get there (I mean, corporations are greedy aren't they?).

[Loser]

Originally posted by mottlee:
Now wouldn't that be a kick in the pants!!! a TV show that had a "Real" project in it

Actually, they did an episode built around exactly that concept. It was funny. But the funny X-Files episodes were better.

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
how would the media miss a g'ould? mothership landing on that waddaya callit hollow mountain base?

NORAD, it's right up the road. Not a wrong turn you want to make. Despite the fact that there are many signs that tell you that you are not supposed to be there, every now and then someone will make it far enough that they get talked to (or yelled at) by overly-excited eighteen-year-olds with assault rifles.

Originally posted by Narrew:
Also, I am not a rocket scientist, nor a lawyer, but wth good is a treaty if they aint up there, I mean, lets say again for argument, that a HUGE corporation decided to make space exploration a reality. Said Corp mines an asteroid, brings back material, before arrival they get wind of a court order to confiscate it on return, so they land in a 3rd world country that never signed the treaty, has an agreement with the Corp that the country will get an import fee to build up that country and they will support that Corp. So now what?

I just cant see what anyone could do, with things the way they are now, there is no super power in space, I dont consider that space station nothing more than a novelty item. So couldn't someone just thumb their noses at anyone that tried to impose that treaty. If a company had the resources to colonize mars, what would keep them from claiming it all if no one else could get there (I mean, corporations are greedy aren't they?).

What you are forgetting, there, is that "No man is an island." This is still true for the corporations, and even the super corporations.

Even a launch facility is difficult to build, take a look at what Brazil has been going through. A launch facility for large craft capable of leaving Earth's orbit would be monumental. Even the Soviets had trouble with that.

Add to that the necessity of government funding for developing the rockets in the first place, and the near-impossibility of getting off that addiction, and you've got a Highly Unlikely on the Speculation Scale for Independent Corporations Taking Over Outer Space.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Narrew:
I just cant see what anyone could do, with things the way they are now, there is no super power in space, I dont consider that space station nothing more than a novelty item. So couldn't someone just thumb their noses at anyone that tried to impose that treaty.

Beyond what Loser said, even if a corp could work out the technical hurdles to deal only with some back water country, any corporation with the resources to attempt such a venture is going to have significant assets in many different countries. Assests that are subject to seizure.

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
but, they indicated that they knew it was going to happen because something simalair had happened in the home dimension - although if it did, i missed it.

Other way around - a precurser of the event had happened in the home dimension a few years later than the one in the attacked dimension. When it came around to the home dimension's turn, the ships (there were two of them, rather than one) were taken out in orbit by an intel project; they got passed off as meteorites that fell into the ocean.

[Narrew]

Geo and Loser... I know that is the way things are now, I am just thinking what if a Corp developed something that solved alot of the "cost of leaving orbit". I can see how hard it would be for the world public to let Corp X take total control of Mars or the Moon for that matter, but what if they took baby steps, claimed an asteroid, perhaps one of Jupiter's moons. HOW, could they inforce something that they could not get to? Much of our law is based on presidence, there are no one being conqured, and I could see Corp X laywer defend seizure of assets, he gets up with a wide grin "Na na na na, ownership is 9 tenths of the law, and since we are the only ones that has the tech to get up there, how you going to make us".

I just have a hard time bowing down to goverments that make laws like that, I mean if I wanted to take a rocket and go into space, I have to get clearence from the Air Force, geeze, who are they to say if I can go up or not?

ps sorry about the typos, in a hurry and this come dont have spell checker *sigh*

[Loser]

Ah, yes. But if things continue in the way they have for a long time, that development will be so expensive and so financially risky that it will only be made with the assistance of a government.

[Parasite]

"lebensraum" is German for "living room" places to live. Made famous as a cause for WWII. The germans wanted lebensraum (and couldn't yet go into space to get it).