OT: Which is better: XP or 2000? > Another Piracy Discussion

[PvK]

A good side point. USA(sic) musicians can also sign up to get their pile of pennies a month for broadcasts tracked by the organization (I think it does so worldwide), but I didn't want to drag that detail into the "IP violations = theft" discussion, which is already pretty far afield.

I didn't think Fryon could possibly be right about it being illegal to record radio... or TV, or whatever. No doubt the media cartel would love to make it so, though.

There was someone writing about it being supposedly illegal in some of the states in the USA to record TV and then skip the ads by fast-forwarding over them, but I think maybe I was mistaken that it was earlier in this thread.

However, it is just another step along the line Fryon has been towing of copying anything as theft - see the article HERE titled "SKIPPING COMMERCIALS IS STEALING ACCORDING TO TURNER CEO"!

I tend to think we're headed more toward Orwell's 1984.

PvK

[Fyron]

No... it is illegal to record off of the radio in the US. TV recording is ok for home use only. But radio is not...

However, it is just another step along the line Fryon has been towing of copying anything as theft

Umm... copying things is quite legal, as long as you keep the copies to yourself. I never said that copying musics, movies, etc. was illegal. As long as you have a legal license to own the material, you can make as many copies for personal use as you want. I said that acquiring copies made by someone else for something that you have no legal license to use is theft.

[ December 03, 2003, 03:49: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[JayBdey]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
No... everyone does not do it anyways. There are many people that do not do it. Bandwagon arguments are just silly. Everyone smokes, so why don't you? Everyone is jumping off that cliff, so why don't you?

Maybe because jumping of a cliff would hurt a lot?

Um yeah, it is OK because everyone does it because there is strength in numbers. As long as there are millions of us we're safe because they can't get all of us, and wont try for very long.

Copying songs does NOT equal theft by law, it is copyright infringement.

Copyright Infringement DOES NOT EQUAL theft

It is a different crime. This is the legal definition. I don't care what YOU think it is. The legal definition is the only one that counts.

I have a Tivo and skip ads all the time, is this illegal too because the shows are not being compensated because I'm not watching their ad garbage? The way you look at it, anything could be considered stealing if you put the right spin on it.

[Fyron]

A lot of people committing morally wrong actions does not make it any less of a wrong thing to do...

Once again, you are conjuring up this whole legal angle to avoid agreeing to the fact that "copyright infringement" is stealing... You are the only person that was ever talking about technical legal issues. Of course they are different crimes. Noone ever said they were not.

The legal definition is the only one that counts.

That is quite wrong.

I have a Tivo and skip ads all the time, is this illegal too because the shows are not being compensated because I'm not watching their ad garbage? The way you look at it, anything could be considered stealing if you put the right spin on it.

I never said it was illegal... that was PvK. There is nothing wrong with presenting the other side of an issue in a debate. In fact, it is often a very good idea.

The way I look at it, only actions that are stealing can be considered stealing.

[ December 03, 2003, 05:52: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Roanon]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
The way I look at it, only actions that are stealing can be considered stealing.

Means: only actions that *you* consider stealing are stealing? Fyron, there *are* other opinions than yours, and they are at least equally right or wrong

Well I'm not the first to think of the words "self-centered" and "stubborn" I guess

[ December 03, 2003, 06:03: Message edited by: Roanon ]

[tesco samoa]

If the majority of people are commiting morally wrong acts. Perhaps it is not morally wrong anymore. Morals are based on what a society sees as what is right. Laws would change to reflect that. THen it would no longer be morally wrong to that society.


For tv adds and skipping look no further than dvd's and for recording content. Look no further than the pile of crap delaying digital tv... and the converters....

Some country in Europe has the law state that you can make a back up for 7 family memebers... Or something like that. Clarification from some one from that country please.

PS I would rather have a 'self-centered" and 'stubborn' fyron than a quiet passive fyron. Shows he passionate about what he thinks. Which in turn makes me think and I can tell it makes others think. Always remember you have the choice to agree or disagree.

[Gryphin]

I Feel
You can debate the “legality” of this till the internet stops working.
A person can get away with this indefinitely.

Isn’t the real issue here ethics ?