Communists on the moon !

[President_Elect_Shang]

Originally posted by oleg:
Can anybody calculate how much a gallon of Iraqi and/or US blood cost now ?

How much does Iraq/US blood cost? I lost one friend in the first war, and now my wife and mother of our three children is about to go over there in the next month to serve a year tour. I know it is not what you meant, however, I can’t help but to point out that the PRICE of FREEDOM is PRICELESS. Both my wife and I are well aware of that, as well as Jason is R.I.P. 1991.

I submit for the approval of the forum that we be a little more sensitive about addressing the price of oil or freedom in any conflict, past or present in the same line. If we take a survey I bet I am not alone in having experienced the cost first hand. And yes, I am very sensative about this subject right now, can any one of you blame me?

[Roanon]

Originally posted by President Elect Shang:
I can’t help but to point out that the PRICE of FREEDOM is PRICELESS.

I don't want to hurt your feelings, but this war is for oil and money, not for freedom.

[Fyron]

Originally posted by oleg:
Oh, yes, the true driving force behind the "War on Terror".
Here is an amusing news flash from BBC news :

"An oil services firm formerly run by US Vice President Dick Cheney may have overcharged US forces in Iraq by some $61m, a Pentagon audit has found."

Can anybody calculate how much a gallon of Iraqi and/or US blood cost now ?

A lot less than the gallons of Iraqi, Irani, Kuwati, etc, etc, etc, blood lost under Saddam's brutal rule...

[Loser]

Originally posted by Roanon:

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Originally posted by President Elect Shang:
I can’t help but to point out that the PRICE of FREEDOM is PRICELESS.

I don't want to hurt your feelings, but this war is for oil and money, not for freedom.

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I hear this a lot, but I only hear it said as though everyone already knows, as though it is common sense.

Please back this claim up with facts. I have not seen them yet, and do not care for intuitive deduction.

[President_Elect_Shang]

Originally posted by Roanon:

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Originally posted by President Elect Shang:
I can’t help but to point out that the PRICE of FREEDOM is PRICELESS.

I don't want to hurt your feelings, but this war is for oil and money, not for freedom.

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If you Sir think that my friend died, or that my wife is going in harms way because of oil than I submit, that you are only looking at one aspect of a larger picture. If this where “only for oil” than why are we investing the lives of our families to rebuild the country. We could simply conquer and take, then subjugate. There is no one left in this world that would bother (over Iraq at least) to offer serious opposition to an occupation. You are speaking of something that is a popularized notion left over from the first war. Furthermore to demean the troops of any nation by calling their effort nothing more than a push to control oil is just pure wrong. It would be more accurate to say that the respective government has sent the troops for the goal of controlling the oil [fields].

[President_Elect_Shang]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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Originally posted by oleg:
Oh, yes, the true driving force behind the "War on Terror".
Here is an amusing news flash from BBC news :

"An oil services firm formerly run by US Vice President Dick Cheney may have overcharged US forces in Iraq by some $61m, a Pentagon audit has found."

Can anybody calculate how much a gallon of Iraqi and/or US blood cost now ?

A lot less than the gallons of Iraqi, Irani, Kuwati, etc, etc, etc, blood lost under Saddam's brutal rule...

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YES! Thank You Imperator Fyron! No one wants to think of that when they talk about "A War for Oil".

[Roanon]

Originally posted by Loser:
Please back this claim up with facts. I have not seen them yet, and do not care for intuitive deduction.

How about backing up the claim that it is war for freedom with facts? Up to now there are only a lot of missing facts, like these alleged numbers of weapons of mass destruction that were never found, plus a lot of pretty obvious lies and very crude falsifications (like this contract about uranium from Niger). If there is nothing else than lies backing this up, I am pretty sure we can dismiss this "freedom" claim as utterly untrue.

As not many other reasons remain, the most obvious one - oil and money - is backed up by the dollars already made, and by the positions of those people involved and near Bush, and their relations to companies scheduled to make money in Iran. I simply do not want to repeat those long lists of names and companies, simple web searches will do for everyone really interested in the facts (start with Haliburton). I think listing here is wasted effort because I know that people wanting to believe a heroic lie you will not even be impressed by facts.