OT: Saddam Hussein Arrested

[rextorres]

Originally posted by geoschmo:

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Originally posted by rextorres:
What lack of commitment are you talking about - can you be more specific. Kosovo and Haiti were the only adventures that Clinton got us into and they were relative successes.

Uhhh, Somalia? That was such an utter debacle they made a movie about it.

Eight years of talking tough with Afganistan, and not doing anything more then lobbing an occasional cruise missle. That's exactly what people mean when they say a lack of commitment.

Haiti was a military success. How could it not be? Haiti was probably the only country in the world capable of putting up less of a fight then Grenada. But the operation was a failure in it's main objective, which was to detract attention from the Presidential daliances.

Geoschmo

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Bush senior got us into Somalia.

[ December 14, 2003, 21:11: Message edited by: rextorres ]

[rextorres]

[quote]Originally posted by CNCRaymond:

Not to discount your views, but you have a lot to learn about how to communicate with poeple. You are far to argumentative and to me you appear to be out looking for a fight to justify your point of view. Just discuss the topic, don't declar war over it.

I think that's unfair. I've staked out a position and you merely disagree with it. When you disagree with my position it's discussion when I refute your position it's argumentative.

Still I have not attacked anyone. On the other hand you've gone out of your way twice to mention me and Fyron even called me "partisan" because he disagrees with all my postitions but of course he not a partisan - anyway Loser specifically asked for my opinions.

And yes I do believe Bush lied - no WMD have been found.

[ December 14, 2003, 21:10: Message edited by: rextorres ]

[Roanon]

Originally posted by CNCRaymond:
What I posted was no more or less right or wrong than what has been posted before by others. If you take me to task on what I say, I will do the same to you. That being said, I believe you owe me an apology.

Well I think it was less right, but this is not the main point. You are personally attacking people just disagreeing with you and offending them. You even openly admit that you don't care if you do. There is someone here who owes some people an apology, Mr. I-am-the-moral-universe.

BTW, I do not care for political correctness. A hypocrite is a hypocrite, regardless how he puts his words. Implying I would do is another insult.

[Unknown_Enemy]

Originally posted by General Woundwort:
Simple - occuply it until the threat of theocracy passes. We had troops in Germany and Japan for many years for similar reasons. Here I will criticize Bush - we should NOT leave by June. Stay until the job is done. [/QB]

Woundwort, it seems to me that lots of people believed Iraq would be similar to Germany/Japan after WW2.

What USA really ended with is a new Liban.

Look at the facts : Kurds in the north with their own agenda. Sunnite in the center grieving for their lost power. Chia in the south who are about to be in power.

I am sorry to say so, but mark my words, the end of Saddam is not going to bring peace in Iraq. The end of Saddam is not going bring stability to this country.

But his end is going to make lots of people's sleep easier.

[CNCRaymond]

Your right, I have mentioned you twice, and that is because I was talking to you specifically.

I wanted to be clear that I enjoy and value opinions that differ from my own. You have a very strong sense of yours, and that is fantastic in my humble opinion. I just would enjoy reading them without all of the hostility.

Then again, I who am I to judge. You have made some excellent points and have stood your ground.

BTW, I think Geoschmo was talking about President Clinton and not GW senior. Just and FYI.

And you do remind me an awful lot of the guy I mentioned before. More power to you man.

[CNCRaymond]

Originally posted by Roanon:

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Originally posted by CNCRaymond:
What I posted was no more or less right or wrong than what has been posted before by others. If you take me to task on what I say, I will do the same to you. That being said, I believe you owe me an apology.

Well I think it was less right, but this is not the main point. You are personally attacking people just disagreeing with you and offending them. You even openly admit that you don't care if you do. There is someone here who owes some people an apology, Mr. I-am-the-moral-universe.

BTW, I do not care for political correctness. A hypocrite is a hypocrite, regardless how he puts his words. Implying I would do is another insult.

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This his how revisionist history is written. People like you twist the facts to suit your need in an effort to hide the truth of what you have said and done. In this case you claim that it was I who had insulted other people even though I have not. You insult me and then do a role reversal followed by a two step around the truth and attempt to paint your self as the innocent victim. You draw first blood by attacking me with an insult, followed by two more insults, as proof of your point of view. You then call me a hypocrite, twice, without the slightest clue as to the understanding or meaning of the word. You yield the word like a child would a toy sword but with far less skill. I shouldn't have to point out to you that what you have done, three plus times now, violates the terms of use of this forum. You can try and play the victim all you want, the truth is already known, and regardless as to whether or not you agree, you are the one in the wrong. You are the one who has been doing the insulting here, not I. You were the one to draw a conclusion and twist my words to suit your point of view. And then in defense, you insult me in an effort to add weight to your argument and then to validate what you have done, you claim that you are the victim having been offended by what I have posted. Now you're attempting to hide from your actions by playing a role reversal by posting these personally insulting accusations about me.

Like I said, you have no skill.

You see, I never attacked any one at any point. However, you did. I can quote you again if you like, but I think we have seen enough of your foul mouth for one day. And I openly admitted that I could careless if I offended you, not these “them” you speak of. And again you post a personal flame as the only defense for your position. I believe you now owe me two apologies.

And the Last time I looked, the “them” you speak of, had not appointed you their leader. So perhaps you should not speak for “them” any more.

[ December 14, 2003, 22:17: Message edited by: CNCRaymond ]

[rextorres]

Originally posted by CNCRaymond:
Your right, I have mentioned you twice, and that is because I was talking to you specifically.

I wanted to be clear that I enjoy and value opinions that differ from my own. You have a very strong sense of yours, and that is fantastic in my humble opinion. I just would enjoy reading them without all of the hostility.

Then again, I who am I to judge. You have made some excellent points and have stood your ground.

BTW, I think Geoschmo was talking about President Clinton and not GW senior. Just and FYI.

And you do remind me an awful lot of the guy I mentioned before. More power to you man.

Fair enough.

I do concede, however, that writing "When Bush lied people died" was meant to generate a heated discussion and I am sorry if I offended anyone who believes that Bush told the truth.

And no I am not that other guy.

BTW: Yes Geo meant Clinton, but Bush Senior invaded Somalia. I truly believe things would not have been much different if Bush had won that election.

[ December 14, 2003, 21:37: Message edited by: rextorres ]