OT: Galactic sterilisation

[Loser]

Originally posted by President Elect Shang:
what more would you have me do?

Nothing more, I felt I made it clear that was settled in a manner of which I think well.

Originally posted by President Elect Shang:
It shocks and amazes me that if a “female friend” is jaded by a soldier it is a crime, but if an employee of lets say Microsoft does the same thing, hay that’s all good. I mean after all when she dated the employee it was her free choice, but she had to have been coerced into dating the soldier right? Can anyone say bigotry, or did you think that only applied when used in a different context?

First of all I will admit to the accusation of bigotry. It is only appropriate, as I will not rescind the things I have said and the word fits.

Second, my carefully worded statement did not indicate that the fault lies solely with the GI. It may be as much a problem with the kind of girl that falls for the soldier. But on an emotional level who do you expect me to side with, beyond reason, led by my 'gut': the young lady I call a friend or have watched grow up, or the young man I don't know who has all the faults you might expect for a young man in the GI's situation? (Being away from everything you are familiar with and caught up in a new and different culture will change a person, and leave a few marks.) The conclusion is natural.

The other reason I worry about these relationships when I see them start is how consistently they end very, very poorly. I've deleted a paragraph here where I recounted anecdotes, it wasn't going to accomplish much. On an additionally note though, if its a local boy I can 'have a talk' with him. This isn't really possible with a GI, not even when taken more literally. The GI can retreat into military life and there's nothing I can do about the conflict.

I do know about the CO approach to civilian-vs.-GI problem solving. I have used this method to collect on debts, 'banish' problematic party regulars, and in one very special case I even used it to make a married fellow in the Army leave my girlfriend alone. Sometimes girls have trouble being final with their 'no', or maybe she just didn't want to be final, I don't know. Either way and whatever happened she never saw him again and had no idea what happened. So yes, this is a useful way of dealing with certain situations after they have happened.

And I know about the unmatched redemption from circumstances the military offers its recruits. I've lived with military presence all my life and I know why many GIs are the way they are. This is no reason for me to be any less careful. I have some good ideas why the decision making process works the way it does. This is no reason for me to find any less amusement at its expense. That's just what it is like for a civilian living in a military town, it is the nature of the situation.

And if there is anything in the matters discussed here that our military is doing wrong I don't have any delusions that I could do it better. I'm not delivering serious criticisms. I was defending a joke against a blanket sanction. Later I was trying to defend the fact that decisions made by those in the upper echelons of the military are worthy of some amount of mockery. It looks like one of my 'I have authority in this subject' points went a bit astray. I am sorry about that, I suppose, this thread hardly needs another derail.

Atrocities, I am glad we can disagree amiably enough.

Having refreshed once more before posting I see your latest, Shang. That's a bit over the line. I do regret if I have contributed to whatever got you that worked up. But here I am, putting-up the post I wrote before I read that Last bit of rhetoric anyway

[Atrocities]

I think that any one who has lost someone or has someone at risk in this conflict would find the comments in these Posts over the Last few days very dishearting. I sure do.

Lets shelve this debate for another time gentalmen, right now is NOT the time to be making fun or insulting the men and women of the armed forces.

[Puke]

Originally posted by Narrew:
This cycle also reminds me of the Union Job I had, people had no reason to strive to be better and if you did and you were low on the totem pole you heard about it from shop stewards or people that have been there for ever. Not that I am anything special, but its not suprising that I only worked there for about a year and half.

alright, settle down everyone. theres alot of sharp folks in the military and the defense industry, I know alot of them. I also know alot of people whom disparage their co-workers, and it applies to EVERY industry, as Narrew describes above.

Just like almost every office worker can draw similarities between their place of work, and a Dilbert comic strip.

no one is trying to take a crap on our armed forces, but at the same time im not going to qualify every wisecrack with two pages of flowery exceptions, just to make sure your feelings dont get bruised. take a deep breath, and exhale. Repeat.

[President_Elect_Shang]

Yes, I would expect you to side with the lady friend. I read the comment to be more generalized when here you were being specific, my fault indeed.

They do mostly end poorly (from my exposure at having seen many first hand) but I think that has more to do with age than profession.

I hope they Article 15 the SOB, he was married for heavens sake. If she meant to carry on with him or not is not so much the point, that said the military is VERY strict about that and related topics. He is probably sitting at home after a dishonorable discharge cursing your name.

That Last bit was only pointed at the moron aspect; it was intended to convey the message that in referring to the military it is no laughing matter becouse you referring to men and women, not faceless entities. But I respect the request of Atrocities so bygones-be-bygones.

[Atrocities]

Does any one remember what this thread was originally about?

[JurijD]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Does any one remember what this thread was originally about?

It was about me telling something aboug gamma ray explosion and then some guy pointed out something about Hitler/Saddam and then I pointed out something abut Bush/Blair and then all hell broke loose. First about the EU/US dogfight and then about the US military.


P.S.: Love your shipsets Atrocities, using the ST: TNG now. Must have been quite an effort to put it all together.

P.P.S: Puke... we're talking about 2 different things. I'm talking about the current state of affairs and my (and the majority of the world's) oppinion on it AND you're (as I understand) talking about some phylosophical debate about there being no right and wrong... I don't care anymore I pointed our my position very clearly and so did you. So lets leve it at that and let history make its judgments.

[ January 08, 2004, 19:32: Message edited by: JurijD ]

[Atrocities]

Thanks.

I am glad that you are enjoying the ship sets. There have been so many varations of them over the Last three years, check that four years now, that the effort behind them has long since pasted into ledgend.

Seriously, most of the sets were a lot of fun developing. The federation sets all use models from Starfleet Command I, II, and Orion Pirates.

The Klingons / Romulans use some models from those games, BOTF, and a Klingon ship game that I cannot remember the name of.

I enjoy the TNG set too. I seldom if ever use it in any PBW games because there are so many others who want to play the Federation that I often opt to play another race.